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The Show’s Main Transcript
[00:00:20.510] – Jonathan Denwood
Welcome back, folks, to the Membership Machine Show. This is episode 123. In this episode, we’re going to be talking about a new platform. Well, it’s new to me. It’s called Gamma AI. I think it’s got some possibilities, and it shows a trend about how AI can help somebody with a membership, an eLearning website, and you’re looking to make great content for that site. I I think it’s got some interesting features. We’re also going to be talking about some of its major competitors and some other AI services and platforms that I think you’re going to find interesting. I think it’s going to be a fabulous show. I’ve also got my great co-host, Kurt, with me. So, Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the new listeners and viewers?
[00:01:24.820] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, Jonathan. My name is Kurt von Ahnen. I own an agency called Manana No Mas, and I work directly with the great folks at WP Tonic and Lifter LMS as well.
[00:01:34.290] – Jonathan Denwood
That’s fantastic. Like I say, we will be going into a full review of Gamma AI. I’m sure you’re going to find it interesting. But before we go into the meat and potatoes of this great show, I got a message from one of our major sponsors. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. We’re coming back, folks. Before we go into the central part of the show, I also want to point out we’ve got a great course at a great discount price. It will show you how to build a modern WordPress subscription membership website from start to finish, as demonstrated by Kirk himself. You can get this at a 50% discount, plus some special offers from the major sponsors, plus a curated list of the best WordPress technology that will help you build this subscription website on ASP. You can get all these fabulous goodies by visiting wp-tonic. Com/deals, wp-tonic. Com/deals. What could you ask for? I say, There we go. So we go straight into it. So, if you had to explain Gamma to somebody who booked a consulting session with you, Kirk, how would you introduce it to them?
[00:02:59.780] – Kurt von Ahnen
I Honestly, Jonathan, after having played with the tool for just a little bit, I think it’s the tool for a solopreneur that makes you feel like a small team because you have so many hats as a solopreneur. You’re marketing, you’re trying to sell, you’re bookkeeping, you’re doing all these things. And I think what happens a lot is we lose track of our social media posting on a schedule, things like that. The test I took with it was pretty surprising. It was enlightening. It worked well. I was surprised.
[00:03:35.830] – Jonathan Denwood
Can you go into a bit of detail about what it is and what some of the main features of it are?
[00:03:41.930] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah.
[00:03:42.470] – Jonathan Denwood
Then we go into more details about the features. But can you give us just a quick intro?
[00:03:47.760] – Kurt von Ahnen
When I first jumped into it, it said, Do templates, social media, websites, presentations. Of course, in my mind, I’m looking at this as… And admittedly, I’ve got a little bit of AI fatigue over the last few weeks, and so I’m looking at this homepage, and I’m going- Is that being caused by me? I’m like, just another page of all these promises of what this platform is going to do? But they had the opportunity. I noticed that they offered a free account in the pricing. So, I went ahead and tried something out, and I was, I’m not going to say breathtaking, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results. Does it create social media posts? Yes. Does it organize information or data into slides? Yes. Does it work from a concept, from an idea, and then use AI to backfill it? Absolutely. But what I liked about it was that you could not only upload documents and things, but you could also actually feed this thing the URL. It would generate this content based on your existing website, which to me was, I was like, Oh, well, that’s cool, because you’ve already put in the work into building the website. Now you’ve a tool that repurposes that content and provides multiple layers of communication to share with others.
[00:05:13.670] – Jonathan Denwood
Yes, I was impressed with it because it produces a series of slides, but you can turn that into a PDF, which can be a good lead magnet, folks. It will conduct presentations, and many members have prepared presentation slides. They use that. It does an excellent job. The website has a one-page landing page. I think that’s the least thing that I was impressed with. It does a good job, but I think other tools in the WordPress space do an equally good job. However, it’s pretty impressive, even in that element. However, it was the other aspects of it, including the interface, that provided a pretty good experience. It offers a range of images and allows you to choose different AI image platforms to supply the pictures.
Additionally, it enables you to swap out images and edit content. It’s a pretty intuitive interface, in my opinion. Would you agree with that?
[00:06:25.230] – Kurt von Ahnen
I would. I know there are other things we’re going to talk about later that seemed more Canva-esque to me, the way that it worked. And I felt like this was almost like a level up. I don’t want to say ‘ level up. ‘ If I were working in my own PowerPoint presentation and I wanted to swap out an image, a picture, a logo, or something superimposed, such as text, it gives you all of those options. It’s right there. It says, Oh, let us show you how to do all this stuff. Bam, bam, bam, bam. And it just happens right on screen. And to Jonathan’s point, export as a PDF. But for each of those slides, if you were to create some social media posts for me, we would say we have eight cards for you. And they all come up like a presentation. But each of those cards in the presentation can be downloaded as its own PNG file. And so you’re able to go because there are other social media generation tools I’ve used in the past, and it might give me the words, or it might give me images, or it might give me…
[00:07:29.280] – Kurt von Ahnen
And then I pieced the stuff together and edited it.
[00:07:32.860] – Jonathan Denwood
It caused… Hopefully, I interrupted, but I think some of these AI tools generate more work than they save because you’re going to edit them. If you’re a total beginner, I think it’s going to be even worse because you haven’t got the experience to know how to edit them and why you have to edit them, if you know what I mean. But this at all, I think for even somebody that hasn’t got the experience of like you and me, you can get some pretty good results, and you’re not having to spend… You’re going to have to edit some of it. Still, It is a time saver because producing lead magnets, creating content for your membership website, delivering all this content, it’s a Even if you take our advice and go for a minimum viable course, and don’t try and build war and peace, as I’m always going on about, it’s still a lot more effort and time than people think, and I think. And the price is right. Because it’s free, you get a free level. The next level is $10, and the pro level is $20. That’s the per-month price.
[00:08:56.860] – Jonathan Denwood
You get a discount if you pay yearly. It’s not ridiculously priced either.
[00:09:03.450] – Kurt von Ahnen
No. What I did look at, though, in the pricing, and I want to make sure that we cover this with folks, is that I get lost in some of these pricing models, and I’m sure I’m not alone in this. It says unlimited AI creation for $10 a month. You go, Oh, that sounds too good to be true. Then, at the bottom, it says, ‘Generate up to 20 cards.’ In my free test, I generated eight already. I would have already used almost half of my monthly allowance on that one sample test. But it’s interesting to me when you look at… There are 50,000 AI token inputs.
[00:09:42.730] – Jonathan Denwood
It’s the token business, isn’t it?
[00:09:45.160] – Kurt von Ahnen
People don’t know what a token is, but I think 50,000 AI tokens, it’s like 96 blog posts, the equivalent.
[00:09:52.930] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, the token is whatever the platform wants it to be.
[00:09:56.090] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s whatever the platform says it is.
[00:09:58.760] – Jonathan Denwood
That’s the reality of it. I’ve been cynical, but I’m English folk, so I’m bound to be, but that is the reality. Let’s just quickly go through some of the key features, the AI-powered creation. The actual quality of the slides, the images, the output is pretty impressive. Some of the other platforms out there, like I said, you have to spend so much time editing them. You think, I might as well have done it from the from the beginning. But this seems to generate reasonably good stuff, doesn’t it?
[00:10:35.770] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, and I’m going to take that back just a notch with you if I can, Jonathan. I noticed in the platform that it did give me, pick this template. You want the black background with the gray writing, the purple background with the pink writing.
[00:10:53.630] – Jonathan Denwood
That sounds delicious.
[00:10:55.660] – Kurt von Ahnen
You are still doing some of… They’re still making some choices along the way. It’s not like a bippity boppity boop and it’s done. But yeah, the end result was really good. I basically have a project where we teach kids how to ride mountain bikes. And so I basically fed that URL in as a sample. I said, make me some blog posts for this project. And it took all the key elements off the multiple pages of the website, took the best photos from that website, and then blended them into these social posting cards that communicated really well. Like, so what does the organization do? It does these three things. Why would parents want to do this? It was for these three reasons. And it was put together really solidly and there wasn’t any edit that I would have made to the text in those samples, which I thought was impressive.
[00:11:53.670] – Jonathan Denwood
I think we covered anything about the presentation of the slides. Is there anything about it that you didn’t like or you think that you can add any more info to what we’ve outlined?
[00:12:11.970] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s a paranoia It’s a paranoia thing for me, Jonathan. It really is a paranoia thing.
[00:12:17.230] – Jonathan Denwood
Is that me having an effect on you?
[00:12:19.860] – Kurt von Ahnen
No, you get in and you see something and you go, Oh, this is cool. And then how would I feel in three months if their template library doesn’t substantially expand or if things don’t progress in a way. Because if I’m going to be honest, when it generated those slides for me, it didn’t give me 50 background options to choose from. It gave me six. But then I look at the growth that Canva has had in the last couple of years. And I go, well, if they follow that model, then you’re going to constantly have something to be able to create from. Nothing irritates me more than, especially if it’s someone I know. Like I might have this really cool YouTube thumbnail I’m using for a series of lives I’m doing. And then I’ll see three or four people, two weeks later, come up with the same thumbnail from the Canva backgrounds. And it’s like, there’s thousands to choose from. Why are you picking the one I’m using? My fear with some of these AI tools is that a lot of people are going to start to use them. A lot of content is going to start to look the same because we’re not getting- Isn’t that the same with looking at the same PowerPoint slides?
[00:13:30.970] – Jonathan Denwood
The actual text it generates, how good was that?
[00:13:38.360] – Kurt von Ahnen
I didn’t have to edit a thing. Wow. Not a single thing need edited. I did the eight cards. I looked at every heading, every subheading, every paragraph, and even the bullet point placement and stuff, it was all right on the money the way I would have made it.
[00:13:54.790] – Jonathan Denwood
Right. Well, did you have time to quickly look? Am I right about this? The review I did, it seemed to be like one-page, which I think is the right way to pitch it, one-page website. I’m not sure if they host them or you just take the code and you put it somewhere else. I’m not sure about it. I looked at the presentation and some of the other elements rather than the website builder. But did you have time to look at the website builder functionality at all?
[00:14:26.280] – Kurt von Ahnen
All I did was play in a sample. I didn’t publish it and make it live or do anything like that. I just played with it. And I don’t know, I don’t want to upset people and make too many brash comparisons to Canva, but it felt like that doing a Canva landing page. You know how you can go into Canva, you can create a website I have it actually.
[00:14:47.850] – Jonathan Denwood
I’m too much of a snob to do.
[00:14:50.190] – Kurt von Ahnen
I did one and actually published it and made it live to promote a product on Manana Nomas. But it was, again, part of that sample, right? You and I, we’re in the website business, so we do membership and learning sites and hosting, and so we’re in deep on that. But for someone coming in that’s not sure what it’s all about yet, it’s probably an okay way to get your feet wet. It gives you something. I’m just not in 100%.
[00:15:19.050] – Jonathan Denwood
The problem with it is just build a landing page, but obviously you want them to do something, so you got to have the optimization side. When they click a button, actually, they can be sent an email with a lead magnet. That’s the problem I have. But if you’re just looking to get a quick one-page up and just have a quick message, I think it’s fine. But that’s what my problem. But to actually generate the lead magnet, I’m probably going to be using it myself.
[00:15:50.910] – Kurt von Ahnen
That’s where all these SaaS type geniuses come up with all these things on Facebook. You don’t need this, you don’t need that, you don’t need the other thing. We’re I’m going to show you how to make a bazillion dollars with all these free tools. And so they would say, create your one-page website on this platform and then have them click this link that’s going to take them to your HubSpot or your MailChimp on the free account. And then that free account is going to refer them to some other downloadable white paper somewhere. And you and I both know that at the end of the day, if you have a central location that is your URL, your website on whatever platform, but if it’s yours and you can develop it, then I think some of these other tools can help point to it. But I think you still need to have your own home base.
[00:16:34.800] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I call them SAS Frankenstein. You got this API here, it’s linked to this. You just do it all with Zappier, the free Zappier account, and they make it look at my experience of it, it’s a real dog’s breakfast. I might as well done this in WordPress with a couple of good plugins. This is causing me more aggro. I’ve got involved with these crazy client projects where they got these Frankenstein sas, where it’s all over the place. And it was done by somebody about a year ago, and I can’t even remember how it was set up. It’s a real dog’s breakfast, so be warned, folks, because you’re totally right, which is your insight there. But I think the reason I got a bit excited about it, because there’s a few services, I think Kajabi is introducing AI, or they’ve got a free… It’s free to use. And I think there’s some other AI that’s aimed at content for eLearning and that. And I’ve tried a few, and I’ve been a bit disappointed, to be true. They’re just glorified written content, and there’s better third-party solutions that do it. But I thought this was really quite interesting, and you could see how the future a little bit where you can actually see where it could help somebody build out content for a course.
[00:18:26.560] – Jonathan Denwood
So you can actually see… Because A lot of the other stuff I’ve been a little bit disappointed, to be truthful about it. Do you agree what I’ve just outlined?
[00:18:42.070] – Kurt von Ahnen
I agree with so much of it, but I think we’re coming at it from different perspectives. I’ve seen a couple of AI course creation tools, and I’ve seen some developers working on these in the background. I’m sorry, at the end of the day, I’m not I ended up and paying you a membership so I can find out what AI thinks about something. I want to know what you think about something, and I want to see you on a Zoom call, and I want to have an interaction with you. And I say this all the time to people when I’m consulting with them to help them build their own products. We are coming to an age where so much is being automated that the real premium, the thing that’s going to generate the value is the relationship, the connection person to person. And so You got to take your opportunity to build your expertise and make something of yourself so that people want that space, find that value and want that from you. So if you’re leveraging an overabundance of AI to separate your knowledge into a course material, chances are you’re not going to find the success that you assume you’re going to find.
[00:19:51.810] – Jonathan Denwood
Oh, yeah, I totally agree. But where I think this does help is generating lead maintenance. But it also helps with the individual that gets It’s the same in writing a document, you get a lot of people that just look at the white page and they just freeze. And you get a lot of people that the prospect of building out content for a membership, for a subscription, it just induces total fear into them. They don’t know where to begin or start. And I just see this as a tool to get over the initial hum, and then they can customize it, add video, make it more personal. I just see it as a tool to get you over the hunt, really.
[00:20:32.630] – Kurt von Ahnen
No, I do that. I’ll take AI and I’ll say, I’m a John Maxwell certified leadership speaker.
[00:20:40.080] – Jonathan Denwood
How are you? That sounds so posh, actually.
[00:20:42.690] – Kurt von Ahnen
I’ve read all the John Maxwell books. And I say, I want to create a course on this segment of leadership. Can you give me an outline of what would be a good course structure for that? And then it lists out a bunch of things. And then I figure out on that list of a bunch of things, which ones How would I manually extrapolate into a lesson from each of those things? So I might use AI to give me that inspiration you’re talking about, but you still have to come at it with… Because I don’t think there’s anything that I’ve ever taught where I’ve invented it. I haven’t invented anything. It’s a different way of spinning it. It’s a different way that you present it. And so if you take yourself out of the equation, you’ve taken the value out.
[00:21:28.000] – Jonathan Denwood
I think that’s a great I think it’s been a great first half. We’re giving a thumbs up to Gamma. We have all the links in the show notes, which you can find on the WP Tonic website. And I think we give it a good thumbs up. We’re going to go for our mid break, folks. When we come back in the second half, we’re going to be looking at some of the alternatives and one or two other projects that I think are really fascinating as well. It should be a great second half. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. We’re coming back. We’ve had a feast, a feast of AI discussion. I can’t get enough of it. I think Kirk’s getting burnt out, but I just love it all, folks. But before we go into the second half, I want to point out we got another great free resource, and that’s the Membership Machine Show Facebook group. It’s totally free. If you’ve got any questions that come up in your mind during our podcast and our YouTube channel, got any questions, just go to the Membership Machine Show group and put them there.
[00:22:40.310] – Jonathan Denwood
It’s a great group of WordPress fanatics and people like you trying to build a membership subscription website. I’m going to use emphasize subscription more, really, because I think we’re in a world where it’s more about creators and influencers, trying to make money on TikTok and YouTube. But having your own website and having your own subscription base, your own following that signs up for more content, educational or being part of groups is just a great way of defending yourself from these big platforms. So I see the podcast and our advice really around that totality of listener, which I think is growing and will grow more. So let’s go straight in. I’m going to put three of these together, and I’m just going to ask your general impression, because I think in some ways, and I think you suggested this in the first half, that these three are more like Canva in some ways, and that’s Tom, and that’s Des-tu-per. How do you pronounce it? Desk-tupur?
[00:23:55.090] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think Tom. It’s either Tom or Tomé.
[00:24:00.100] – Jonathan Denwood
And what’s the second one? How do you pronounce it?
[00:24:03.180] – Kurt von Ahnen
Dectopolis.
[00:24:04.270] – Jonathan Denwood
Dectopolis. They love these names, don’t they? Dectopulus. And plus AI, Ryan. If you were having to explain to people what these three are and any major differences you saw, how would you explain them to people?
[00:24:25.920] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, the Tome one actually put me into a cold sweat, to be honest with you, Jonathan.
[00:24:33.010] – Jonathan Denwood
You’re not working with me.
[00:24:35.400] – Kurt von Ahnen
No, no, worse. This is like a virtual assistant thing. It’s more than just making presentations and things like that. I recently sampled some AI help with combining some calendars together and having it prioritize your activities and your calendars and color coding things. Because I have multiple verticals in business and a lot of things going on, and I wanted to make sure that I started to… I said, well, maybe I can optimize this better. So I tried one of these virtual assistant platforms. Jonathan, I couldn’t get out of that thing fast enough. Oh, my goodness. I was like, I am rolling out of control here fast. And I got the same feeling when I was really going through the website for this tome. It was talking about, yeah, it does presentations and stuff like that, but it seems like it also interacts with your CRM tools. If you’re a larger company, you’re going to have your playbooks or your policy and procedure manuals, job boards, financial reports, things like that. And it’s going to combine all of that into one central hub that’s basically going to tell you what you’re supposed to do for the day.
[00:25:51.280] – Kurt von Ahnen
And I’m just not ready to do that. I’m not ready to have any machine tell me what I should be doing for the day. I just don’t want to go down that path. From the presentation standpoint, it looked like it was pretty damn capable. The presentations were sharp. I thought they were clean. I thought the interface looked good. And then when you talked about Dectopolis and plus, with those, when you said Canva-like, that nailed it right on the head for me. I even thought with one of them, I thought, did they steal that button directly from the Canvas page?
[00:26:22.870] – Jonathan Denwood
Never. It’s definitely your type. I agree with everything. It’s definitely got a more corporate. I found website, the initial pitch, and that it’s more polished. But I actually think that Gamma has got more used to our target audience. The interface looked really nice, but it’s just the bits that they’re pushing, I totally agree with your initial synopsis about it, your initial feel. On to the next one.
[00:26:57.430] – Kurt von Ahnen
I’m going to sound like a nut case right now, right here on the show. I keep seeing all these things for Notion, and Notion has all these organizers, planners, project managers, organize your life things. And the interface that’s on Tom’s presentation looks just like the interface to Notion. And so I think to myself, why not just get Notion to pay $97 for that template? But I thought it looked good. I thought it looked good. It looked efficiently It looked modern. Like I said, the presentation abilities were right on point. But the other two reminded me that I was in a Canva-like world.
[00:27:38.310] – Jonathan Denwood
All right, on to… How do you put that? That’s it again. Dectopolis. Dectopolis. Very similar functionality to Gamma, but the thing I liked about it was the funnel functionality. That’s a step up. If you want to build that one-page landing page, they’ve got actual elements of it can actually act as a funnel, as a lead generation system. I didn’t test it, but I thought that was a step up. What was your own thoughts on this, baby?
[00:28:20.950] – Kurt von Ahnen
I didn’t go in and get an account and play with it enough. I saw what you saw there about sales funnel and lead generation.
[00:28:30.610] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, you couldn’t because they haven’t got a free account, have they?
[00:28:34.630] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, and it talks about doing proposals and portfolios. And then I was like, so what is this thing really? Is it trying to be a business hub with marketing features, or is it a marketing site with a couple of business features? And I really don’t… The messaging was a little cloudy to me as far as what the actual… What’s the real priority of the site? And again, you and I, we’ve down this road before, right? I know certain SaaS platforms that are more business-oriented. So if it was me, I would lean on this for the marketing and presentation side of what they’re offering. But I didn’t feel that without a free offer to try it, I was really not inclined to sign up for a subscription to test it.
[00:29:21.380] – Jonathan Denwood
No, they’ll probably give you a free 14 days, but you’ll probably have to put your credit. I think you’re spot on because it’s got the use cases which are account executives, sales professionals, founders, webinar com. It’s all over the place. They’re very broad categories, aren’t they? I’m going to be really unfair here because I did look at reviews and I looked at the interface, and like I said, the funnel side of it is like a step up from Gamma, really. But on the other hand, it looked to me like a tenancy group of developers and they’re trying to get in because everybody’s getting into AI, and they’ve thrown everything in to the kitchen sink, but it’s not very focused. Do you think I’m being a bit unfair there, or is that the gel of it?
[00:30:18.750] – Kurt von Ahnen
I don’t think it’s too horribly unfair. Now, they do have a ton of templates, which is one of the marks I put against Gamma was I didn’t see a ton of templates. Dectopolis has a A ton of templates. It does. But again, I just get… I guess here’s my thing with this, Jonathan. When we started looking at these today for today’s show, I was thinking to myself, All right, these are presentation tools. We’re looking at AI, marketing and presentation and social construct sites. And then you get to this thing and it’s like, well, is it SuiteDash plus Canva? Is it an all-in-one business platform? And it’s not an all-in-one business platform. It doesn’t do your invoicing and your project management and stuff like that. And so it’s missing some elements that would make it a business platform, and it makes me wonder how much of it is really prioritized on the creative side if it’s serving that business element.
[00:31:19.140] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, it’s the positioning. It looks good, I’m sure, but yeah. On to the last one, which is plus AI. What was What are your quick thoughts about this?
[00:31:33.880] – Kurt von Ahnen
Sometimes I say things that don’t make sense on the show, and I know that. If someone has a really ugly site, it just really distracts me. And this one, I just did not like the website at all. And I know it’s all subjective. I know it’s all subjective, but I really didn’t like the website. What I did like was the pricing. I didn’t see that you could start with a seven day trial, which is great. And then it’s only $10 a month and you get the unlimited AI generation with Google Slides and PowerPoint. So that’s nice. And you can create single slides, which is nice because most of them that we’ve seen, you create a series of slides. It’s almost like you create more than you need and then delete the ones you don’t want to use. This one you can create single slides with, and you can remix and mingle the slides. So you have a lot of freedom with what you develop. It seems like it would be a good product. I think to myself, if I dislike the website so much, how much am I going to like the output that it gives me?
[00:32:36.490] – Jonathan Denwood
Their pitch seems to be if you’ve got existing PowerPoints and you want to use AI in there to make them more professional. They seem to be pitching that. I forgot the second from last. I forgot presentation AI because that’s got a free, and it’s got a different… You got the free program, and then you got a big jump to the which is $198. What do you reckon… At least I could pronounce the name, Presentation AI.
[00:33:14.190] – Kurt von Ahnen
Presentation AI, they’ve got a couple of cool things. I really like that they focused on the multilingual support because you and I have a lot of people that are doing international stuff. I know that AI can do multiple languages. I don’t want to say that they can’t, but when they focus on multilingual support, it’s like the difference between Google Translate and Translate Press with DeepL in our speak, right? So it’s like, so you’re expecting a higher level of translation ability. It’s got this brand sync item, which I like. So for agencies or people doing work for other people, or if you’re a solopreneur with multiple projects, you’re able to build separate channels that maintain your brand sanctity from one product to another. So I thought that was a really cool thing that this platform had. Then I’m pretty sure we already mentioned price or you did. It’s right on the money to get in and try something out.
[00:34:07.560] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, the thing is, it’s early bird pricing. They got it at the start at zero, but they’re saying that at some time They’re going to be charging $120. I’m not sure if that’s monthly or yearly. I imagine it’s monthly. Then the pro, they propose for one year, so it’s yearly. They propose I was to charge 120, and then, yeah, any number of users, one year. Their pricing table is bloody confusing. Then they got this early bird for the pro, which they plan to charge 600, and at present moment, they’re charging $198. I just don’t think it… I don’t think that’s going to work because I don’t think it’s offering the Apart from the language, the language is really important to you, yeah. But the others, I suppose it depends, doesn’t it? If you’re really into the language side, isn’t it?
[00:35:13.090] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think at a certain point in the show, we have to acknowledge what is already in existence. And that’s why when we look at some of these products, I roll my eyes and go, Really? Another AI for this? If I have a Microsoft 365 account, which a lot of professionals have, and I want to create a PowerPoint presentation, there’s AI tools that come with that platform, right? And then they have an unbelievable amount of templates to choose from. So if you’re making presentations that you already have that. Or if you go into Google Slides, which is not my favorite, I prefer PowerPoint. But if you go into Google Slides or one of those, they also have a ton of templates, and they’re starting to inject Gemini into everything. And so it’s like you’ve got these tools that we already have. And so when I look at these other channels coming up, it’s got to be compelling. It’s got to be like when I did that sample with Gamma and I said, Sure, scrape this website and give me some marketing ideas off of this website, and then it came out with like post-ready product, that was impressive.
[00:36:29.640] – Jonathan Denwood
Right. On to the last one, which if it did blow you away, I’ll be amazed. It’s a bit different this last one. It’s about taking you, uploading a video of you, and actually cloning you, and being able to upload a script, and the cloning you can speak You can take the script and you can change your clothing. It’s a two-edged sold when it comes to actual eLearning because the thing is, there are people that need to make videos for their membership, and they can’t do it. No matter how much they try, they just can’t be in front of the camera and explain anything, and it stops them from making a course. But this platform called HeyGen, it really does… It is mine, and I looked at some of the of the solutions out there. And for the price and for what it does, I think it’s one of the leading ones. And some of the end results, because until about six months ago or eight months ago, you could tell straight right away that it was a AI-cloned video, but it’s got to the stage now with some of these platforms. I think if you really, really look, you can still tell, but apart from you’ve got to really concentrate.
[00:38:16.980] – Jonathan Denwood
I think they’ve become really good. What was your thoughts about this one when I sent you the link?
[00:38:25.500] – Kurt von Ahnen
As an individual that easily has a thousand hours of video content on the internet, I hate the idea. I really do. I mean, I just, I turn on the camera, I got something to say, I say it, I got a course to make, I promote it, I do what I got to do. But you make a really compelling point And that is not everybody is comfortable turning on the camera and expressing themselves. And because of that lack of comfort, it’s hard for them to be, it’s hard for them to have influence. If you’re not comfortable or you don’t have confidence in your messaging, you’re not going to have the influence that you need to be able to gain conversions. And so I can see where a tool like this could be valuable to some people. But that whole deep fake mentality, like when it says, Hey, look at this video of Tom Cruise doing something silly. And it’s not Tom Cruise. That to me is just we’re getting into weirdness, and then the idea that you’re going to convert that- Into?
[00:39:24.140] – Jonathan Denwood
We’ve been into weirdness for quite long periods in America, mate. We’ve been there for a long time.
[00:39:33.330] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, but we all knew it was coming. We all knew that this deep fake thing was coming, that it was going to get cheaper and cheaper, and that it was going to be available to everybody. And this Hey, Jen is a Apparently right on the money.
[00:39:46.240] – Jonathan Denwood
What did you think of the examples?
[00:39:48.640] – Kurt von Ahnen
The output is almost real. When you look at it, when you see the guy going like this on the page, I’m waiting to see that sixth finger pop up on one of his hands or something.
[00:40:01.190] – Jonathan Denwood
It happens we’ve been quite a lot with my sixth finger shows that.
[00:40:05.770] – Kurt von Ahnen
Or three eyeballs or three nostrils. I keep waiting for something in the AI to not make sense. I’ve listened to a lot of content on this particular subject, and Mark Zuckerberg was talking at length about how difficult it was to get the digits right, to make hands look like He said in one of his interviews, it’s better in AI if you see the body and hands with no arms than if the arms are connected and the hands are weird. He said it’s just because people see it right away. He said, You’re better off to have a hand with no arms.
[00:40:47.600] – Jonathan Denwood
I think this produces arms and hands.
[00:40:51.200] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, yeah, this produces arms and hands. But this is a year after I heard that Mark Zuckerberg interview. It’s interesting. What I think is almost more acceptable is that they have – I’ll tell you one area where I thought this could be beneficial: if you have a membership. You’re doing multiple languages, and you can produce a clone of you, and it could be you and it’s speaking the foreign language. That makes a lot of sense. If you’re going to do video conversion for the language and then have the avatar speak the foreign language, that makes a lot more sense. That’s what I thought was a big thing because that stops…
[00:41:34.460] – Jonathan Denwood
You still have your voice, and it comes across as you, but it’s speaking French or German in a course, allowing you to internationalize your course. The prices, I think they were very fair. I imagine it’s the token. All these video platforms are even worse because the pricing is almost impossible to figure out.
[00:41:59.400] – Kurt von Ahnen
The getting started, zero dollars, right? It states three avatars, four videos, with a maximum length of three minutes, and then specifies three videos per month. And then at the bottom of that, three videos up to three minutes, three videos per month. And then when you go to the next one, $30 a month, it’s unlimited videos. Videos up to 30 minutes, and then five minutes of avatar, four. I don’t understand.
[00:42:29.610] – Jonathan Denwood
I’m limited. What the hell does that mean?
[00:42:31.420] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, I’m limited. I can create a ton of videos, but I’m having trouble converting them into this avatar format.
[00:42:37.180] – Jonathan Denwood
I think you just got to accept you got to go for the ’39 plan because it’s not outrageous, have you? I think you should check if it does what you need for $39, because it’s not outrageous. No.
[00:42:50.690] – Kurt von Ahnen
But in the grand scheme of things, we talked about this on our last episode: everything’s got a price, and they all add up at the end of the month.
[00:42:58.050] – Jonathan Denwood
They do. If you’re not going, I can use it, but like I say, because I’ve got another business, folks, that’s aimed at real estate agents, and I’ve tried to train real estate agents, so they make videos and we help them edit them. And trying to force somebody that’s… It does feel unnatural to look at a camera and talk to it, but you do get over it. However, there’s a group of people who can’t do it. They cannot do it, or they need everything to be scripted out to the letter, and it just comes across. Unless you’ve had professional training or have done a lot of it, it just comes across as really stilted. And it probably… So, I gave up because it was just unprofitable to try, and these people quickly lost motivation. So you’ve got to call it a day. This type of solution is ideal for that specific target. To wrap it up, anything you want to come to your mind to wrap up the show?
[00:44:16.040] – Kurt von Ahnen
Jonathan, like most people, learn something new all the time. I have been particularly focused on learning as much as I can lately. I’ve been conducting in-depth research on various subjects. You can’t know it all, and you can’t buy it all. But what you can do is you can listen to a podcast like this, and you can say, hey, you know what? I’m going to go sample that and dip my toes in the water to see if it’s something that piques your interest or not. I usually would not have jumped into this Gamma thing. I usually would not have. But Jonathan was like, Oh, we’re going to talk about it on the show. Look at it. I went, looked at it, tried it out, and I’m like, I might subscribe to this. Of course, then that isn’t good because I’m spending more money.
[00:45:03.230] – Jonathan Denwood
I’ll be on a good run lately. I’ll be finding some decent stuff.
[00:45:07.080] – Kurt von Ahnen
You’ve been on a real good run. But again, that comes down to what’s your use case, and do you have the ability to optimize that investment? Then it all comes down to that. It’s all use case and business-oriented. I’ve assembled a nice collection of tools that I use now. I’ve to tell you, folks, I don’t want to say I’m a solopreneur because I’ve team members and I assign work, but I work here. This is it. There are no cubicles; there are no 10 people around me. And so, when the email comes in and I have to do something, it’s nice to have some tools to lean back on and make something happen.
[00:45:42.480] – Jonathan Denwood
So, how much effort do you have to put in to learn something, and how much return on time and effort you’re going to get back? And you always have to think that way. We’re going to wrap up the show. I think it’s been great. Going to point out another great free resource for you, listeners, and that’s the WP Tonic YouTube channel. You can watch the video version of this show. Plus, we make a load of videos around membership, subscription, marketing, and all the factors that you need to run a great subscription-based business in 2025. Go there, leave a comment. We love more feedback from you about what you enjoyed in the shows and what shows you would like to make. You can do that on the WP Tonic YouTube channel or the Membership Machine… A little of a member machine show, a Facebook group. I got there in the end. It’s been a great show. We’ll see you next week, folks. Bye.
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