What Are The Best Marketing AI Agents For a Membership Website in 2025?
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The Show’s Main Transcript
[00:00:15.560] – Jonathan Denwood
Welcome back, folks, to the Membership Machine Show. This is episode 130. In this episode, we’re going to be talking about the ever-popular subject of AI, and we’re going to specifically be talking about what are some of the best marketing AI agents or services out there. It depends on what you call an AI agent. There are all sorts of terms. I’ve recently conducted research to find products and services that might be useful for building a membership or community-based website in mid-2025. I have my ever knowledgeable and patient co-host, Kurt von Ahnen, with me. There is only one Kurt. Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the new listeners and viewers?
[00:01:10.420] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, thanks, Jonathan. My name is Kurt von Ahnen. I own a company called Manananomas, and I work directly with the great folks at WP Tonic.
[00:01:18.840] – Jonathan Denwood
That’s fantastic. As I said, I hope you get some real value from this show. I’ve done a fair bit of research. I think Kurt can see that. I did a little bit, didn’t? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
[00:01:31.800] – Kurt von Ahnen
I do. I had a couple of names I didn’t recognize.
[00:01:34.080] – Jonathan Denwood
There you go. It should be a great show. But before we go into the meat and potatoes, we got a message from one of our major sponsors. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. Coming back, folks. I also want to point out that we have a fantastic course, created by Kirk himself, normally priced at $49, but you can get it for half price. Essentially, it shows you how to build a membership community-focused website from start to finish using the latest WordPress technologies. Plus, we have created a list of the best WordPress plugins and services that will help you build your website. You can obtain all these goodies and take advantage of some special offers from our sponsors. As I said, you can get all these goodies by visiting wp-tonic. Com/deals. Wp-tonic. Comleifontonic. Com/deals. All the free goodies are there, folks. So, Kirk, if somebody comes to you for a consultation and they have AI agents on their mind, how would you begin the conversation, Kerr?
[00:02:50.340] – Kurt von Ahnen
It usually starts with some begging on my part to get them to stop talking about AI. You know that this is a personal struggle for me, Jonathan.
[00:03:02.440] – Jonathan Denwood
It’s a personal struggle for me.
[00:03:04.440] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, and the hypocrisy starts and ends with me. I’m not going to point out anyone else that I feel is a hypocrite in the space. It’s me. I use AI. I have friends who use AI successfully. But I compare it to… I was in a different show, and I mentioned that I used to be a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Coach, and I also ran my own road racing school when I was involved in road racing motorcycles. And the idea that you would give somebody a 200-horsepower motorcycle and say there’s a racetrack, good luck. If they’ve never ridden a motorcycle before and you say there’s the track, that’s how you get on. Good luck. That’s what I feel we’ve done with AI. I feel like there should be an MSF, Motorcycle Safety Foundation, version of AI, so that you can begin to understand what I’m creating, what the end result should be, and what the deliverable is supposed to resemble, and then play with it. However, that’s not the case in many instances. If a client comes to me asking about AI, I generally start by asking questions about their existing expertise in that field, using AI, to ensure that it’s a viable conversation.
[00:04:16.540] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I think that’s very sensible. This is my position, folks. I use AI, Kirk uses AI. In specific circumstances for specific tasks, it’s extremely useful. In marketing, there are numerous marketing platforms to consider for posting. Trying to do it all manually without some assistance is very time-consuming and practically impossible. However, using certain tools and optimizations, it’s very useful, folks, but it’s still very early days. One of the biggest problems, folks, is that there’s a set of online influencers on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram who are pushing outrageous claims. I mean, truly outrageous. Many of these people are specifically not marketing to you, the listener, but rather to the WordPress agency owner or the agency, claiming that we have a turnkey solution that will build websites, optimize marketing for you, and perform various other tasks. I see no evidence of great success myself, folks. One of the major problems is that many of the things they push could likely be implemented in a more manual system and completed more quickly. So, A lot of these people, and by the way, folks, there’s always, and it’s quite hilarious, really, folks, because this is the Membership Machine show, they’re normally always at the end, flogging you a course.
[00:06:15.840] – Jonathan Denwood
A course about AI, about a course using AI to automate, to replace yourself, to make 20,000, 20,500, a month. It’s utter nonsense. For instance, it’s utter dribble, folks. In this show, I think I’ve found some tools that can help with specific tasks you might be thinking of doing. I’ve used some of them, while others I haven’t. However, I’ve done a fair amount of research, and they all appear reasonably legitimate. How would you respond to what I’ve just said, Kurt?
[00:06:56.740] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think you were less positive than I was in that brief discussion about AI. I think that AI has-Oh, but I love it.
[00:07:04.480] – Jonathan Denwood
I use it. You know it’s helped me enormously, Kurt.
[00:07:07.320] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, great tools. As long as you understand and have the proper expectations. I have used many AI tools for website building, as Jonathan mentioned, right? It’s like, ‘Hey, let’s set up a quick test site to check this plugin or something,’ and we did that with success. However, with the use of AI, many things fall through the cracks. So, if I’m using extensive AI to filter CRM in a support platform or something, I run the risk of losing contacts or overlooking important details through the automation process that should have required my attention. So I just caution people. If you use the tools, you have to make sure you babysit them. You’ve got to make sure they continue to work. It’s almost as simple to me, Jonathan; people often have a web form on their website for lead generation. Then they’ll say things, like at networking events, ‘Yeah, I haven’t had very many leads lately,’ but they don’t sign into the website and test the form to make sure it’s still working. And it’s often the case that those things become disconnected with updates and other changes.
[00:08:16.320] – Kurt von Ahnen
Ai is a similar thing. It’s not a set it and forget it, it’s a set it and babysit it and make sure you monitor the deliverables. You got to make sure you have people on staff that can do that with you.
[00:08:27.040] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, we are in early days, folks, and I’m are bombarded by YouTube adverts pushing AI. You’re over 40. You’re probably just using ChatGPT just as a toy. We got this And of course, it will teach you all these tools. I look at the tools and I think, you don’t need to join a very expensive course, folks. So let’s move forward. So we’re looking at something called Copy AI. It’s a general copy, aimed at writing good quality copy with a load of predesign prompts and other curated tools that can help you write copy for the various scenarios. Yes, you’re thinking, well, I could go to OpenAI, or I could go to Claude, or Plexiglas 3, and pay 20. This starts at 49. Online, which sounds reasonable to me, but the advance is 249. That seems a bit stiff to me. But if you’re a team and you’re writing a lot of copy… But the research I did, I haven’t used this in the I’ve got some other tools because I’ve got more specific needs. But in general, it’s got a pretty good write-up for the quality of general AI writing that it can produce. What do you think, Kurt?
[00:09:59.600] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, their strategy is one that I actually really like. So part of the reason that I discourage, hate to use it like that, but part of the reason that I’ve been less optimistic about everyone using AI is people don’t understand the detail that needs to be input into a prompt to get the right output. And copy AI does a really good job of giving people great starter prompts or pre-prompted fields that give you an expected outcome. So I think when you say, Where’s the service? Where’s the value? Kind of question. I’d say that the service and value there is in the packaging of the AI and the pre-formatting for the results. I think they do a pretty good job of it. And their use cases on their website go into a fair amount of detail, which gives you more, shall I say, confidence in going with them. The one thing that I found, you What’s uniquely different about them was they actually had stuff in their website telling you why AI is bad. They actually were like, this is why you don’t use this AI. This is why you don’t use that AI. Bad things happen.
[00:11:14.940] – Kurt von Ahnen
That, to me, shows that they’re trying to guide people in a more healthy direction.
[00:11:19.300] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, my only proposal, folks, is do not use it for SEO purposes, because without a tremendous amount of manual editing, If you’re utilizing this type of copy, it’s going to really hurt your website. Google do not rate or treat websites with a lot of AI copy that it can identify in a very kind way. It will really hurt your SEO. But for everything else or for getting a first draft, and you do edit it quite a bit, You’ll probably be all right. On to the next one. Saura. Saura.
[00:12:06.180] – Kurt von Ahnen
Saura.
[00:12:06.920] – Jonathan Denwood
Saura. Video and image generation. There’s a number out there. This does come from OpenAI. It’s around 20 bucks a month. I think it starts with these other plans. There’s other ones out there, and it does change rapidly. They’re the best one or the best The one that’s best at the present moment might not be the best one in two weeks time. But the research I did and what I was seeing, especially some of the examples because you took images off the internet and you had one image and another image, and you took a third image and you say, you put a prompt in. I want to replace the second image with the third image, and I want you to to adapt it, it will do it. The examples I saw were quite impressive. You do have to mess around and put extra prompts in. It won’t happen straight away, but it’s not too ridiculous either. What’s your thoughts about this, Kurt?
[00:13:17.460] – Kurt von Ahnen
Sora is an amazing tool. I mean, just plain and simple, it’s an amazing tool to me. The things that it does, very plainly, like you said, change this picture with that picture. But you could give it a picture and say, using AI, interpret what happens next based on the static contents of this picture, and it creates a video out of it. It does amazing things. Now, there’s some things that you look at it and you go, Oh, that’s AI. And then there’s other things that you see in it, and you actually find yourself second-guessing a little bit. Like, Is this AI? And that, to me, that’s eye-opening. That shows you how far we’ve come. I I can remember looking at this stuff, this content, just a year ago, and it was nowhere near the quality that it is today.
[00:14:10.280] – Jonathan Denwood
Could you sign that again? Sorry. What’s that last bit?
[00:14:13.000] – Kurt von Ahnen
I said, I can remember looking at this type of content like a year ago and it being nowhere near the quality that it is today, the quality of imagined video. But this is where, and you got to help guide me on this one, Jonathan, maybe I’m losing the plot a little bit. In a lot of the examples I see in these AI examples, they’ll say, create a video at the zoo. And they’ll say, well, change it from a zoo to a park. Change it from a park to a rock concert. Change it from a rock concert to a… And I’m like, is this just fun and games? We’re just trying to iterate different things until we see something that visually makes us, makes the synapses in our brain go, like the dopamine effect is happy.
[00:14:59.100] – Jonathan Denwood
I see. Exactly.
[00:15:01.060] – Kurt von Ahnen
Or are we using these tools with purpose, on purpose for a set outcome? And a lot of times I see the visual stuff, the pictures and the videos, the different tools. It seems like there’s not a real purpose, there’s not a real goal at the end. It’s more like a journey that leads to something that might be cool. And that to me is… I don’t think that’s the most productive use of our time.
[00:15:28.680] – Jonathan Denwood
I think it’s a fantastic It’s a good point. A lot of the examples are around it pops. It’s great, but does it really when you actually want to get an image, then turn it into a video that actually achieve something? Is it so effective? I think it’s getting there, and it’s getting there rapidly, but I think there’s a lot in what you just said.
[00:15:56.060] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, the depth of the prompts that you have to write to the original piece made. It’s one thing to say, oh, I like the rock concert, now make it a bouldering in Utah. It just changes the background, right? And it does that. But the initial prompts, they’re deep. When you read what the actual prompts to an imagine headshot image is, there’s a lot of descriptive characters in that prompt. It’s more detailed than I think the average user is willing to suffer through. And so I think the average user does not get anywhere near the results of the samples because they don’t understand the depth of the prompting required.
[00:16:42.020] – Jonathan Denwood
Or the skill level required.
[00:16:44.700] – Kurt von Ahnen
Correct. Yeah.
[00:16:46.020] – Jonathan Denwood
That is something a lot of these influencers on YouTube, on Instagram, do not point out. Because you learn that by doing their course, Kurt. At 499 or $1,997, Kirk.
[00:17:08.740] – Kurt von Ahnen
We need to make a course on how not to get sucked into a $500 course.
[00:17:13.160] – Jonathan Denwood
At 497. All right, around. On to the next one. I’m so cynical, but there’s truth to it. Make. Com. There is a lot of marketing agents, optimization agents. I think it’s very similar to the image. There’s a lot more pre-work you got to do to get a result, but it’s still early days, and I think something like Zillow, they’re probably working because they must be worried because this is Zillow on steroids, isn’t it? It goes out, you give it things to do, and the agent should go out and do them and give you the end result. And there’s some amazing examples out there, but it’s a bit like the image video examples. They tend to skip on the amount of skill and time that has to be put in to get the end result. But one of the best, better ones, I haven’t used many of these because it’s an ever-changing landscape, but make. Com. I want to point out, I’ve written an article on this and you find it in the video or the audio description description if you’re listening or watching this, and it gives you all the links and prices, so you don’t have to worry to write all this down, folks.
[00:18:53.520] – Jonathan Denwood
It’s in the article. What did you make of make. Com? Starts free, core 10, Pro 18, team 34. Not outrageously expensive, in my opinion.
[00:19:07.060] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think it’s a very affordable way to dip your toes in the water and start working with stuff. When I was looking at make and the different things that people are formulating or putting forward with the product. I immediately, I couldn’t help myself, but make that transition to why aren’t they using cursor with clog, with this? Because we’re in different circles and we hear people using these other tools on a more frequent basis. But I think someone dipping their toes on the water that wants to get started with automations or creating a different AI agents to do different things. And it’s super important, Jonathan, Some people don’t even understand. When you say create an AI agent, people are like, what the heck is that? But an AI agent is something that does a function or perform something on your behalf.
[00:19:58.900] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, I see it this way. Like with Zillow, they are in the WordPress world, folks. There are plugins and services that do what Zillow does, but in the world of WordPress, getting one or getting various plugins to communicate that have natively built communication. And Cany Automator comes to mind. It’s part of our package, and it’s one of the more established ones. But also the people from Aster have got one, I think it’s called at triggers or something. There’s about half a dozen, but probably the one you’re aware of is Zillow. And what Zillow does, it’s normally the way I rationalize the difference between what Zillow does and what a AI agent. You ask it Zillow to go to one website, get some data, maybe manipulate that data or take that data and communicate with another app or website. With the agent, it’s like an if-else statement. You can tell it, Well, if you get this information, this type of information, do this. But if it’s this other type of information, go here. If you get something outside the two parameters, do this. So you can ask it, and let’s hope it does it, a much more complicated scenario.
[00:21:32.560] – Jonathan Denwood
Do you think I’m on the right track here, Kurt?
[00:21:35.040] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think we’re on the right track, but I got to clarify something just out of confusion. Are you talking about Zepier?
[00:21:42.940] – Jonathan Denwood
Zepier? Yeah, Zepier.
[00:21:44.420] – Kurt von Ahnen
Sorry, Jonathan’s in the middle of buying a house, so he’s got Zillow on the brain.
[00:21:48.420] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, so Zillow is that. I mean, Zepier.
[00:21:51.660] – Kurt von Ahnen
Good. Okay. Yeah. So now I’m on the same path. I’m on the same track. Yeah, I’d agree. Very similar. When When they’re shopping for different AI tools, if they’re not familiar with artificial intelligence, they’ll say, Oh, well, this is this engine, but it’s based on these agents, and these agents do these things. And if you’re new to the space, you just instantly get confused and you lost the plot before the next time.
[00:22:15.460] – Jonathan Denwood
I don’t think it’s new. I use AI every day and it confuses me. I might not be the sharpest tool, but I’m not the bluntest either in the toolbox. So on to the next one before we go for our break. Hellgel. Hey, Gel. Hey, Jen. Hey, Jen. It makes video AI It makes you can upload a video of yourself, and it will make a copy of yourself, and you can upload or type in a script, and it will sync the words to the copy of you, and it will speak the words, and you get gestures, and it looks pretty good now. After you start using these a bit, you can identify when it is being used. I see a lot of the YouTube adverts using this technology because the lip sync isn’t quite good enough if you’re really watching it. But if you’re not really watching, you won’t notice it, in my opinion. I think it’s pretty amazing. What do you reckon?
[00:23:36.600] – Kurt von Ahnen
Again, I’m going to go back to if you saw it a year ago and then you saw it now, on a screen share side by side, the difference is amazing. The new stuff that Hey, Jen is doing is creepishly good. It’s the idea that you could have this platform do stuff for you. Now, I used to be completely I hated the idea of it. But then I ran into, in my professional spaces, I ran into extremely intelligent, well-versed, smart people that have a great idea that they want to share that’s going to add value to other people, but they hate being on camera. Some people just can’t deal with being on camera. And if that’s the case, this Hey, Gen tool is really good for them because it’s a representation of themselves, but they’re not not having to deal with the us and the ums and the blushing and the coughing and the allergies and the whatever that get in the way of making live video.
[00:24:39.860] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I think the area that I’m really excited, and we haven’t had time, but I do the land that we look at this, is in using it for other languages. If you got somebody who’s a native speaker who can’t speak other languages, you could clone he or she, and they could speak in Spanish, Portuguese, whatever. They would be actually there in front of the students. I think that’s it, especially when it comes to educate eLearning membership. What do you reckon, Kerr?
[00:25:14.580] – Kurt von Ahnen
Now, I am going to say, and I just feel like I need to, I think it’s incredibly disingenuous. I think with training sites, any e-learning or training sites, I think it’s hugely important that that you’re not in the same room shaking hands with people. So you have to do everything you can to create relationship with your audience, especially if it’s a course you’re selling. So it’s really strange to have a fake video that is promoting your content. But In some cases, it’s better than nothing promoting your content, right? And so if the choice is a fake video or no video at all, I’ll probably default to the fake video.
[00:25:58.360] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah. All right. I think it’s time for us to have our mid break. We’ve covered a few. I’ve got a few more in the second half of these AI agent services. You should get some great value from this. We’re getting more and more popular. We’re going up the iTunes and Spotify charts quite rapidly. I think me and Kirk have found a niche. It’s taking over a year, but I think the last episodes have been fantastic. I think Kirk’s happy as well. Everything’s great. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. Coming back, folks. Before we go into the second half of the show, I want to point out we’ve got another great free resource. That’s the Membership Machine Show Facebook group. Totally free. You’ve got any questions that come up during listening or watching these shows, you can go to the Facebook Membership Machine Show group and you can ask those questions. Any other additional advice, it’s a great free resource. I normally post, I’ve been traveling recently. I’ve slacked off doing that. I mean to get back into that next week, but I might be a bit busy next week as well.
[00:27:16.040] – Jonathan Denwood
Where doing stuff always takes more time, but I will attempt that. So let’s go straight back into it, Kurt. This is a controversial one. I’ve got very mixed feelings about this. This attempt to pronounce it Replet. Is that correct? Replet?
[00:27:36.360] – Kurt von Ahnen
I think it’s Replet.
[00:27:37.760] – Jonathan Denwood
Replet. Basically, you put prompts in and it builds a whole website for you. There are influencers on YouTube saying, This is going to replace WordPress, or this is going to replace Wix or Squarespace and blah, blah, blah. And then you look at the amount of work and the amount of setup you got to do to get it hosted somewhere free, free, where if you got a very small marketing website, you can get less than $5 hosting and it will do the job. And it’s cool, don’t get me wrong, but it’s… I might be biased. I just think it’s well overplayed. You can go and get a theme, get up and running. Do you really want to spend all this time doing this? But one area I thought it might, because I’m surprised, is knocking up landing pages or helping you develop lead magnets. I thought that might be because this is still very early days. I don’t know if I’ve been too negative about it because I’m more biased. What do you reckon, Kurt?
[00:29:00.200] – Kurt von Ahnen
The hype in the marketing for them is hard to miss. And so when it’s hyped as high as it is, it sets the expectation either really high or really low. In my case, it set the expectation really low. I’m like, this is going to take an inordinate amount of work and supervision to get the results that my expectations have created through the marketing effort. So I’m not… Things that caught my attention in it was like, I could make a chatbot. Okay, that sounds cool. I could create a game. And then I said, okay, what does creating a game look like? And of course, with their hype, it’s more like, just type in, I want to make a game. And it starts making you a game. And it’s like, no, that doesn’t make any sense. I got to give it parameters and details and plot and all these things. Even those stupid games that are on late night TV, trying to be pimped out to us on cable TV, those games had a purpose. There’s some psychology behind them to make them work, to make people get hooked on them. And so to me, there’s no way that that product is doing what the hype is saying it does.
[00:30:14.900] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, they got a free, but you’re not going to be able to do too much with the free because it’s token-based, folks. You only get so many tokens per price level. Next one is Core 20, and then you got Teams 35. Some of the reviews and some of the criticism of the platform, which was a couple of months ago, I don’t watch anything or read anything that’s more than a couple of months because this is changing so quickly. They’re very critical on the token allocation on the different plan levels. Seem you could burn for them really quickly and then you can’t buy extra. You got to wait for the next day. And all this business, I I don’t know if that’s changed, but there was a lot of criticism. And it’s just the hype, folks. It’s well overhyped, but it’s still interesting. Like I say, it’s early days.
[00:31:13.020] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s an interesting concept. In the pricing, I was a little confused, and I didn’t know if you had the details on this or not. When you look at Teams, it says 50 viewer seats. I wasn’t sure what a viewer seat was.
[00:31:29.520] – Jonathan Denwood
I imagine it. Somebody actually using it, watching it. Well, I don’t know. Well, you got to host it somewhere. I don’t really know what that is, actually. Sorry, no, I don’t actually.
[00:31:41.520] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, with their documents, it says, I think if you look under deployments, it says that they offer the hosting. They offer flexible hosting for any type of project. And so I’m like, Well, that’s convenient. And then when I looked at the pricing, it said, $35 a month with 40 viewer seats. Seats, and I’m like, What’s a viewer seat? Are you telling me I’m limited to 40 customers? I didn’t get it. And without having the facts in front of me, I didn’t want to say it as a negative. It was just a question mark.
[00:32:14.300] – Jonathan Denwood
The people that are promoting it don’t seem to have any problems. All right, on to the next one. It’s interesting, but for the hard core marketer that really hates WordPress, and there are people out there like that that just dream and that are selling a course that will show you how it works. They love it. Me and more tools, I’m not quite so sure, but I might be biased, folks. On to something that I thought was pretty cool, actually, over that. Taking long-form video, there are a number out there. I know you use use one with great… It’s been working for you. I think you do use one. I’m not sure. That cuts up video into… But this overlap, it seemed to get quite a lot of high praise from the reviews and the videos I watched. What did you think of this?
[00:33:18.840] – Kurt von Ahnen
I love the concept. I’ve always loved the concept. I was a Opus AI user for a while right out of the shoot. And then I’m also a Descript user, and Descript has a clips feature as well. So I let the Opus lapse, and I stuck with the script for a while. But if I’m going to be honest with people, especially our audience that’s listening, there’s a certain familiarity that comes up with the way that these clips can be made and people recognize it. After a while, it gets played out. So it’s like we can see an opus clip. It’s like people are like, That’s another opus clip. And they might not know it’s an opus clip, but they know it’s one of them’s clip things. So I think sometimes it’s advantageous is to shift gears and try a different product. When I looked at the format of the product that comes out of overlap, it’s a little bit different. So visually, it impacts differently. And I think it might be worth giving a try, especially But it’s really at only $20 a month.
[00:34:17.000] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, the next one up is $250. It’s a bit rich. It’s a big jump, the $21. So you get on with it. But you got a great point. I haven’t used them. I need It’s the one thing I need to get into because I’m probably missing opportunity because I do produce a lot of content, but a lot of it’s long form. I need to cut it up a bit. On to the next one. It’s a bit like copia/AI. There’s a whole host of general AI writing tools out there. Hopefully, I might not update it this because I think I doubled on Rebit, Rebit, I’ve just swappled 7 out to Claude, Kurt. It’s a general writer. It’s a competitor to Open AI and perplexity, but I just like the content that it produces. I think it’s more readable, it’s better. It was a clear leader, but people now would say that ChatGPT from OpenAI, their latest version, they would say it’s better than Claude now. But I still like it. I think it’s one of the best generalistic writers out there. What do you reckon, Kurt?
[00:35:42.580] – Kurt von Ahnen
Are we talking about Super Whisper?
[00:35:44.840] – Jonathan Denwood
No, we’re talking about Claude. Claude. Yeah, Claude.
[00:35:48.830] – Kurt von Ahnen
Okay. Because I got lost in the show notes there for just a heartbeat.
[00:35:52.680] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I changed. I forgot to because I doubled up on something.
[00:35:55.880] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s all right. For me, my personal one that attracts me. I’ve been really happy with Groch, and their latest update in Grok has been- Have you ever been worried to be coming a Super Nazi? No, no, no, no, no. No Supernazism. Just I really like Grok. Claude to me, and I’ve used Claude a few times, and I don’t know why, but ChatGPT has always just rubbed me wrong. And I don’t really have a… If you held me to it and said, Kurt, specifically, what is it about ChatGPT you don’t like? I have a really hard time answering the question because they all use that same weird chat window, right? Put in your prompt and get the result. But I would say in my order, it would be Grox and Claude then ChatGPT.
[00:36:47.940] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I just like Claude. I’m worried about Groch. I was kidding. There was this incident, folks, that it was asked some questions and it became a super Nazi rather quickly. Not exactly my cup of tea, folks, but there we go. If you’re into that, then have a look at not I think Claude would never do that. There you go. Sorry. God, you’re going to say something?
[00:37:22.360] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s been interesting to me to watch this AI roll out over the last couple of years because all of them have had some glaring deficiency come up in some release. When Gemini was first released and it said, show me a picture of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, and there wasn’t a single white dude in the room. It was like, it’s like, huh, something’s a miss here. Yeah, something’s a miss. And it’s obvious that there are agendas and things behind some of these tools. That latest anti-Semitism thing that Groch went through, that sure a black eye on that platform. But I really liked, and this is just me being a fan boy, I guess, Elon didn’t hide from it. He admitted it. They made changes, they made an update. It wasn’t like it was hidden or swept under the carpet. But it is interesting. As you point out, a lot of these platforms can throw up some weird data sometimes, and that’s why we got to supervise it and know what to expect.
[00:38:28.000] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, careful on Elon. Yeah, there you go. So sorry. On to the next one before I get into some real trouble. I will save that for the other show, and it’s the monthly roundtable show. I will save my Vex for that particular show. Super Whisper came on where I read on. It’s only Mac, folks. I think you can use it on iOS. What it does, basically, you can speak and it will translate. A lot of these work reasonable. Google used to be the best. Siri on Mac is useless, absolutely useless. But talking When you go to Google Chrome, it doesn’t… But this is really on steroids. You can choose which language model you can use, and you can choose one. If you’re on a Mac Silicon, not an Intel Mac. You can still use it, but it has to be cloud-based. But there’s these language models that work locally on your computer, so you’re not pushing it out to the out, which I wouldn’t be keen on, but you can save it locally. It does a really good job. The free version is pretty good. They’ve got a pro version which is around $8 a month if you pay annually.
[00:40:03.840] – Jonathan Denwood
I’ve been quite impressed with it, actually. What do you reckon, Kurt?
[00:40:09.280] – Kurt von Ahnen
A couple of things. One was, I’m a sucker for a lifetime deal, and they had a lifetime deal offer that I had.
[00:40:15.200] – Jonathan Denwood
I didn’t notice that. What was the lifetime deal?
[00:40:18.240] – Kurt von Ahnen
$249.
[00:40:20.680] – Jonathan Denwood
He loves his life even more than me, and I’m a lover of him. Kerky, he loves his lifetime deals.
[00:40:28.320] – Kurt von Ahnen
I love the lifetime deal. So the…
[00:40:33.620] – Jonathan Denwood
But you’re not a Mac user, are you?
[00:40:36.460] – Kurt von Ahnen
No, I’m not a Mac user. I’m PC all the way, baby.
[00:40:40.040] – Jonathan Denwood
All the way, baby.
[00:40:41.840] – Kurt von Ahnen
There’s a certain lure to speech to text. I know some people that it’d be a miracle if they could use their phone if they couldn’t talk at it all day. So speech to text has its place. What I really, really like, and it’s one of the One of the things you pointed out, Jonathan, was its translation abilities. The ability to speak something and have it translated or come out in another language, that to me is a really valuable tool, especially when you look at eLearning and training and the kinds of things that you and I get involved with for projects.
[00:41:19.820] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I use it. I convert UK English to American English. See, that’s what I use.
[00:41:32.740] – Kurt von Ahnen
I wonder if it’s still an option in Facebook, you could pick pirate as your designated language.
[00:41:37.900] – Jonathan Denwood
I don’t know.
[00:41:39.480] – Kurt von Ahnen
There you go.
[00:41:41.760] – Jonathan Denwood
On to the next one. Let me just have a go, Jonathan. Manus. Manus?
[00:41:46.700] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, Manas. This is one I haven’t played with at all.
[00:41:50.600] – Jonathan Denwood
Highly recommended. It’s a research business insights, can write for you as well. It’s not the cheapest. It starts at 39, but the pros, $199. But I haven’t used it in Anger because they haven’t got a free product. But all the research I did, they said it really does some really quality research, if there’s a particular industry and you want to know if it’s growing in the next couple of years, or is there a particular niche in that industry that you could market to? What are some of the main pain points for people in that particular niche that you should emphasize in your marketing, blah, blah, blah, the type of stuff that you’d either have to pay a lot of money for offshore and then somebody that knows how to do research or it can cost you a lot of money or you buy research that’s been pre-done and that’s not cheap. There’s There’s a lot of money in research, but this has good reputation. What did you think of this, Kurt?
[00:43:05.700] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, the pricing caught my attention. Then when I was looking through some of the testimonials for use cases, to see, Okay, what are people really doing? Because like yourself, I looked at the site and I said, Oh, this looks like a research tool. But then when you look at the testimonials, it’s saying things like, I use this tool to make an application. I use this tool to do this. I use this tool to do that. I’m like, all right, maybe it does a bunch of other things. I haven’t used it at all yet. This is one of the ones where I was like, I’m not signing up to try this today. It’s just not going to happen. The testimonials are incredibly generous towards Manus, and it’s obvious that businesses always promote the testimonials that say the nicest things, but they got a lot of them, and apparently people have used this platform in lots of different ways. From the research side, the data is showing that you get deeper, more accurate research through Manus than from other providers. That’s what I was able to see most quickly in the research. Based on the amount of hallucinations I’ve seen lately, having something that is rated as a higher degree of accuracy for research, I think has a huge value.
[00:44:26.400] – Kurt von Ahnen
It’s like an exclamation mark. It’s like if it really is more accurate, then it’s worth it, especially if you’re looking up stuff that’s imperative to your business.
[00:44:35.420] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, they just reckoned it found the info useful information and you didn’t have to reprompt to such a deep extent. It and the quality of research. And it was just the feedback which was consistent, but I haven’t used it. But it seems interesting and maybe at some stage I would use it. Number 10 has got a question mark because, Kurt, are there any AI products and services that you’ve been using lately that you would like to share with the audience?
[00:45:11.820] – Kurt von Ahnen
This guy is going to have to write me a check someday because I’ve been talking about him a lot. I’ve been using a tool lately called Magi, M-A-G-A-I. Ai or. Io.
[00:45:25.860] – Jonathan Denwood
I’ll put it in the chat, will you? Put it in Slack, actually, How do you put it into Slack and I’m making sure it’s in the show.
[00:45:32.240] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah. So I’ve been using this tool called Magi. It’s Magi. Co. And basically what Magi. Co does is it does a few things. One is it gives me access to multiple tools in one screen. So when I want to create a query through artificial intelligence, I choose ChatGPT. Which level of ChatGPT? Claude, Grok. I can pick perplexive.
[00:45:55.960] – Jonathan Denwood
That’s this guy we actually interviewed on the other show, didn’t we?
[00:46:00.000] – Kurt von Ahnen
I don’t think we did. I don’t think we should because he’s pretty brilliant.
[00:46:03.330] – Jonathan Denwood
I think we have interviewed him, but you put it in the Slack and I will receive it.
[00:46:09.360] – Kurt von Ahnen
One of the things I like about Magi is they sponsor a weekly office hours and people come and they do just use case situations. How do I make it?
[00:46:20.280] – Jonathan Denwood
Is it as bonkers as the one that you manage?
[00:46:24.720] – Kurt von Ahnen
Yeah, maybe just a little bit bonkers. No, actually, it’s not because he does less feedback off from people. He just runs a presentation, but it’s pretty good. And the other thing that I like about it, and this is where we get into the idea of agents, right? So there’s AI and there’s AI agents. His tool comes pre calculated with agents. One is for e-learning, one is for marketing, one is for this. And so the results that you get from the AI questions are customized to go with those agents. So you get the type of response you would want for to that agent. And then you can create your own custom agents. And what I like is I don’t have to remember which tool I used for AI to figure something out. If I just go to my Magi dashboard, all of my chats are stored and I can go and see what did I look up, who did I talk to, and all that. So it’s all right there. So for me, that’s my go-to tool for now. And I actually graduated off of write blogger to that. So if you remember, if you We interviewed the guy from Write Blogger, and Write Blogger was like what we said about the first one on the show today.
[00:47:37.100] – Kurt von Ahnen
And it was pre-populated with prompts, and it shortcuts a lot of AI things for you. So, as someone getting started with AI, it was a great tool to be able to say, ‘Write me a summary of this,’ ‘Write me a summary of that,’ and it would find the information.
[00:47:51.860] – Jonathan Denwood
The one I use is called Super Hero. Yeah, I got it on AppSooner for a lifetime deal. And that’s what it does. It has a load of pre-canned short prompts for specific tasks.
[00:48:08.780] – Kurt von Ahnen
To your point, these things are constantly changing. When I’m looking at new tools, I try to stay within a 45-60 day range to allow ideas to develop before exploring new AI options. I’ve been really happy with the way they’ve maintained that.
[00:48:22.740] – Jonathan Denwood
So what makes you move? Don’t ask me what makes you move from the first one to the new one?
[00:48:30.000] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, the right blogger had numerous options, various fields, numerous different tools, and numerous agents built into it. But it was like that tool. That was like that one thing, right? And then Magi is a combination of all the different AI tools and agents, with a monthly cost of $ 20. And so, for $ 20 a month, I’m getting access to all the AI tools and all these AI agents, and I just have to take myself maybe just one or two steps further on the laziness trail. You know what I mean? Instead of having everything pre-done for me, I just have to think ahead and say, ‘Okay, let’s write a prompt in this voice for this response.’ And I had to train myself a little better on that, but I’ve been really happy with it so far. And to be honest, there are some tools where I’ve thought, You know what? I really don’t want to do this work anymore. Maybe I will go back. I’ve thought, Maybe I’ll re-up on Right Blogger for a while and write 50 or so blog posts, and then jump back out of it again.
[00:49:33.320] – Kurt von Ahnen
Or Opus AI, another perfect one, right? With those video clips. Maybe I will jump back in and make a ton of video clips and then jump back out again. But there’s no way, Jonathan, that the average person could or should have 12 or 15 subscription accounts to all these tools every month because it adds up too much. You’ve got to find a way to manage it and make your choices, and then understand what compromises you’ve made based on your budget.
[00:50:02.500] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, totally agree. Of the nine, plus the ones that you talked about, any of these that you’ve really thought, Yeah, that’s not bad? Any of them?
[00:50:16.540] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, there are two that really stand out to me, and you’re probably going to find these choices unusual because I’m always talking about productivity, efficiency, and building things intentionally. But I can’t get over how cool that Sora tool is. Sora is super, super cool and fun to play with. I just have a hard time fitting into a business model for me. It’s like it’s a cool artist tool, but am I trying to make viral social posts, or am I trying to do things for business? And so I have a hard time from a business standpoint with that one. And then the other one, and I already said I hated it, right? But it’s like I think about my clients. I have a lot of clients who are a little more camera-shy or aren’t polished when they’re speaking on camera. And that Hey, Jen tool is a really good option for people who are on a budget and need to create content that represents themselves, but they honestly don’t have the skill set to do so. I think that the Hey, Jen tool is a really good tool for that.
[00:51:19.880] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah, I agree with you, Hey, Jen. The other one that I’ve been using, and it’s made a big difference to me, is Super Whisperer. Lov, just love it. It’s really fantastic, really accurate. I use it all the time. Love it. Love it to bits. However, I didn’t know they had secured the lifetime deal. I might cough up for that because I’ve been using it quite a bit. A lifetime deal. A lifetime deal. Right, Kirk, what’s the best place for people to find out more about you, your thoughts, and your recommendations?
[00:51:57.380] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, like you said at the beginning of the show, I’m the only Kurt von Annen on LinkedIn. If you’d like to connect with me on LinkedIn, feel free to find me and make the connection. Don’t just follow, but make the connection. That’s great. Then if it’s for business, I’m at Manana Nomas. Anything that’s Manana Nomas typically leads right back to me.
[00:52:14.520] – Jonathan Denwood
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