WordPress 6.2 WordPress 6.2 Dolphy New Features

Discover the latest and greatest features of WordPress 6.2 Dolphy! In this video, we’ll explore all the new features that make creating a website easier and more efficient than ever before. From enhanced editing capabilities to improved accessibility options, you won’t want to miss out on these updates. Get up-to-date with the newest version of WordPress so you can take full advantage of its powerful capabilities! Watch our video now to learn more about WordPress 6.2 Dolphy’s new features!

#1 – Classic Theme Vs. Block Theme

#2 – Site Editor

#3 – -Style Book

#4 – Theme Styles

#5 – New Navigation Block

#6 – Push Default Styles

#7 – Fluid Topography

#8 – Sticky And Transparent Header

#9 – New Media Inserter

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00.000] – Jonathan Denwood

Welcome, both folks, to the WP-Tonic This Week in WordPress and SaaS podcast, where Jonathan Denwood interviews the leading experts in WordPress, eLearning, and online marketing to help WordPress professionals launch their own SaaS. Welcome, both folks, to the WP-Tonic This Week in WordPress. This is Kirk and me. We did have a guest, but unfortunately, we had to reschedule. He’s coming on in June. There was some confusion. But Kirk and I have decided that we will discuss the latest WordPress update, which is 6.2. It’s a major update. It’s Dolphie. I think that’s how you pronounce it. We will be talking about all the key features of the update and the bigger view around it. So, Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the new listeners and viewers?


[00:01:00.060] – Kurt von Ahnen

Absolutely, Jonathan. Thank you. My name is Kurt von AhnenI own an agency called Mariana no Mas. I focus mainly on membership and learning websites and, of course, helping out the WP-Tonic team.


[00:01:11.350] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s great. Like I say, we’re going to be discussing the site editor, the style book, theme styles. To say that this was a major update and there’s a lot in it would be a slight understatement. It should be a great discussion. Before we go into the meat and potatoes of the show, I’ve got a couple of messages from our major sponsors. We’ll be back in a few moments, folks. Are you looking for ways to make your content more engaging?


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[00:01:57.960] – Jonathan Denwood

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[00:03:34.150] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s much appreciated. We’re coming back, folks. I just want to point out that we really work with WordPress developers. We got great hosting package and we got a great partner package. The benefits of working with WP Tonic is that you don’t get in any arguments about which plugins to utilize because we provide all the key ones for your membership or Buddy Boss website. Plus support is a lot of value in becoming a WP Tonic partner. If you’re a developer, to find all this out, go over to WP Tonic partners and sign up. We’d love you to become part of the family. Let’s just start off with a quick intro about 6.2. What was your initial impression when you looked over what they had done with 6.2 around the editor and Guttenberg and General Kirk?


[00:04:43.380] – Kurt von Ahnen

I find, Jonathan, the best way to really wrap your head around these things is even if you’re an agency and you have to invent a project, invent a project, invent a fake website and start playing with the stuff. And to actually see it in work was revolutionary for me. I mean, there’s a lot of changes there and a lot more functionality. If you’re willing to dig deep, you can find some of the cool tools and features they put in.


[00:05:11.140] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, I think you’re partly right there. I think the number one, whoever listening, obviously, if you’re a developer, you’re well aware of this. But if you’re a website user of WordPress, one of the main thing is that the block theme, how it’s affected how themes work in general, because a lot of this functionality that we’re going to be talking about, you can’t actually utilize it unless you’re utilizing a modern block theme. And what I mean by modern is a theme that’s been either coded or recoded, adapted to work with these features in the last six months, year, maybe, unless the developer has done that, the team behind the block theme. If it’s a classic theme, you won’t be able to use any of this. If it’s a theme that is a block theme and they haven’t updated it to utilize these latest additions, it won’t break, but you won’t be able to utilize this functionality. I am correct in that, am I, Kurt?


[00:06:29.700] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah, I actually did a project this week firsthand with a new theme that Lyft or LMS is putting out, and it’s not public yet. It’s a prerelease. But to see the difference between, and I’m just going to say Astra because I use astra for a lot of my projects, but the difference between astra and then this latest block oriented theme that I’m using from LFTR, you can see the interactivity and the differences between what’s available. I’m real thankful that I got to jump into that and see this thing work at its full extent.


[00:07:01.850] – Jonathan Denwood

Right. So let’s go straight into it. So let’s go into the site editor. They’ve done some major UX improvements tied in our link to functionality. It’s a very extensive list. I think a lot of what they’ve done makes a lot of sense, and it’s a big improvement. So what’s your own thoughts about that?


[00:07:31.910] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, and I don’t want to be too bashful about talking about other tools at the same time because you can’t help but compare. Like, if you’re an Elementor type person or a Divi type person and you look at this, you’re going to go, Okay, well, what’s the similarity? What’s the difference? What’s the benefit? So in this example, when you go into the site editor in a theme that’s capable of it, you see right away templates, template parts, and access to build the elements of a site like you would in the template manager for Elementor, but all within the site editor in that first screen.


[00:08:11.820] – Jonathan Denwood

Would you say they’ve done a lot of tidying up.


[00:08:15.050] – Kurt von Ahnen

On these? Yeah, it’s really straightforward from that perspective. It’s really straightforward on what are the elements of my site? What am I attempting to change and what do I want to modify? Do I want to use a simple footer here or do I want to use my graphic footer here? And those elements are available.


[00:08:36.270] – Jonathan Denwood

I think the next thing that’s really a biggie is the style book. This is new functionality that’s been added in 6.2. What was your initial reaction to the style book functionality?


[00:08:57.370] – Kurt von Ahnen

When I first got a look at what I was working with.


[00:09:01.070] – Jonathan Denwood

I had to… I think the best thing also… Sorry to interrupt, Kurt. Can you give us a quick outline of what the style book is and what it roughly does before you go into the specific?


[00:09:12.240] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah, I was going to try and cover that. I had to look it up. I didn’t recognize what it was by the term style book. I’m used to seeing things like global settings in other page builders and things like that. But the style book with WordPress in the Guttenberg environment allows you to pick your fonts, different colors, the weight of your fonts, topography, different shades, colors, things like that. And when you work with a theme that’s prebuilt, that’s ready for this full site editing arena, that stuff is largely preset, which is really nice, provided it’s a premium theme.


[00:09:53.230] – Jonathan Denwood

What did you… Is Global Settings panel where you can go into different lists. E xample would be your key header set up your H 1, H 2, H 3. It gives the list and it gives the actual example, a visual example of the font and the size in a list environment, and you can adjust it and then set it as a global setting. That’s about right, isn’t it?


[00:10:31.830] – Kurt von Ahnen

It is. But I fear that when we talk about this stuff, Jonathan, we can’t help, again, like I said, bring in other products for comparison. I think about even if I stayed with Guttenberg before and used Astro and Astro Pro and put in Specter, I would get similar functionality with that set up. But to see the way that was laid out, the way it’s delivered with the WordPress 6 2, it’s clean. It works really well.


[00:11:00.710] – Jonathan Denwood

I’m trying not to be negative in it because, hey, folks, I’ve had a rough molded, folks. I’ve had a pretty rough morning before this. So I’m not in the happiest mood, folks. I’m not trying to make it worse. No, you’re not. I’m trying to be positive about this, but I got to come at it. They’re in the terminology of Guttenberg, Watts Spector, and some of the other providers are third party. They’re block libraries. That’s the terminology that they’re utilizing. I tend to utilize the old term that they’re frameworks because that’s how I rationalize it, folks. I see these as major frameworks, especially with Spector and or Astor because they provide all these starter theme stuff. It’s all getting very confusing. You think, God help the new user. That’s all I got to say.


[00:12:11.060] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, and that’s why I find myself giving all these disclaimers. If you’re familiar with this project, it looks like this. If you’re familiar with that project, it works like that. Because with WordPress, there are six or seven different ways to do anything. So when you talk to a client, you find yourself saying, I can do this, this, this, or this. And it makes it as difficult as going to Best Buy and trying to select the laptop off the shelf. I mean, you start looking at stuff and then you get distracted and you forget where you were.


[00:12:39.180] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah. So you think I’m right then? It is getting a little bit even. But some people would criticize me for saying that because people say it’s always been a little bit confusing. Before Guttenberg and what we’re going to outline in 6.2, you had frameworks, you had things, you had child things. It was a little bit confusing. I just feel that this is making it even a little bit more confusing. Or would you say I’m off track there a little bit?


[00:13:19.110] – Kurt von Ahnen

No. Remember back when they first tried to tell us that everybody would have a computer in their house and it would eliminate paperwork. And now you go visit a company and there’s no such thing as no paperwork. There’s stacks and stacks of computer generated crap everywhere. I feel like that’s what’s going to continue to happen in development in the WordPress space. There’s so many options and everybody that I talk to from a client perspective wants a new automation or a new tool or a new Wizzy wig of something. So, yeah, it’s going to continue to get more dense and complication. But I am seeing with the 6.2 release and using this new theme that’s made specifically for full site editing, I am seeing how they’re trying to bring that in. They’re trying to say, Hey, if you just stick with us, if you just focus on the basics, like Tiger Woods still works on his swing, right? The basic swing. If you just stick with the basics, over time, we’re going to morph into a one stop shop that will be able to do all these things that you want to do directly through WordPress.


[00:14:23.810] – Kurt von Ahnen

I can see that messaging being in the background.


[00:14:26.890] – Jonathan Denwood

You’re so spot on because it’s a really difficult situation because you’ve really put that well. Thanks for that, Kirk. You’ve done a really excellent job because that’s the good side of this because you really can see clearly now, the team at Guttenberg, the team that I’ve worked so hard on this, they’re doing a really excellent job. It’s just that You just don’t want to be negative about it to come across as just a Guttenberg basher. But on the other hand, the reality is when you’re doing something so fundamental, disruptive, which Guttenberg, which in some ways needed to be done, that there are going to be cashieries, there are going to be problems because you got all the legacy. And I’ve discussed that in another video. That was one of the strengths of WordPress, this concrete guarantee that there wouldn’t be a finite cut off point that your legacy can’t be totally guaranteed, but that the updates to WordPress would almost a nil in their desire not to break compatibility, that what worked previously would still work and you put new functionality on top. These frown all that out, isn’t it? It doesn’t break, but you can’t use it unless you update.


[00:16:31.370] – Jonathan Denwood

So in some ways, I’m probably wrong about that because you can still utilize the website, but there isn’t that ability because these are big. I suppose I’m waffling a little bit, but I’m trying to be fair here because the reality is it doesn’t break the site. So you could say compatibility is still there. You always had new functionality that if you didn’t upgrade and that wouldn’t work. But on the other hand, it’s the breadth. I think that’s the right way to put it. It’s just the breadth of changes and how the whole thing is. You’re really going to be left behind if you don’t upgrade. And if you built something six months ago, you’re going to have to rebuild to some extent. I think that maybe it’s just the pace. I’ve been waffling. I’ve just been struggling to try and be fair here. Would you say I’ve done a reasonable job, Kurt?


[00:17:31.550] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, I think you have, and I am going to agree that you did waffle a little bit. But you know what? The pace of change from a technology standpoint is only going to accelerate. It’s only going to be exponential. And when I see, and this is me like, maybe I’m kissing WordPress’s butt a little too much here, but their backwards compatibility with stuff that’s years old is pretty remarkable considering the leaps and bounds that technology has made. Now, their challenge is how do we embrace the oncoming deeper technologies with AI and all of these things that you and I discussed last week? How do they continue to embrace that at an exponential level and still maintain all that support for that backwards compatibility stuff? I mean, at some point, I would think these things get too heavy to really function efficiently.


[00:18:24.240] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah. And what’s interesting in some of the videos and comments I’ve read is that compared to Alamate or I use it regularly, you still use it, that they’ve had their own problems, but which they’re trying to improve their own community communication and how updates. And in some ways it was the opposite of Guttenberg because some of the criticism of Alimator was there wasn’t much changes. There wasn’t really a lot of, struggling for the right word, new functionality introduced compared to some of the newer page builders in the WordPress system. But they seem to, or seeming to, attempt to respond to that to some extent, and also trying to respond to the speed question as well. But I suppose fundamentally because of the beast, because you’re putting a layer, it’s a plug in, it’s not in core, it’s a layer, there always going to be some performance here. But I’ve always been a little bit dismissive of it to some extent because of the concoction of caching, hosting, and all the other plugings. If you mix it all up, the little bit of performance hit the elevator doesn’t really buy it, does it? Yeah.


[00:20:11.400] – Kurt von Ahnen

And I’ll just be transparent, as an individual, my adoption rate of Elementor was painful. I mean, it was slow, Jonathan. It took me a while because I think out of the box, Elementor was extremely advanced for an average WordPress user. It’s one thing to have a tutorial and have someone walk you through like, here’s the blog post I made for your website, and here’s how you change the titles and add content. That’s a level. But then to go into a custom build, try to use custom colors and features and fonts and do all that through Elementor, well, there was a learning curve there. I think what we’ve seen is people will criticize Elementor and say, well, it didn’t advance fast enough, or it didn’t advance quickly enough with other changes. But realistically, it came out of the box really strong. The last couple of updates have been pretty substantial. So as far as using the intersections and stuff like that and using the rows instead and some of the stuff they’ve done in the last year, seems fundamental, but they’re big changes in how the platform is used. The problem now is you have all these people that have tackled that learning curve, right?


[00:21:21.750] – Kurt von Ahnen

And they found a comfort zone in Elementor. And then WordPress comes along after the game and says, oh, here’s Guttenberg. We want this to be the basic foundation of everything moving forward. And that’s hard to get people to adopt or to willingly adopt the smile.


[00:21:35.910] – Jonathan Denwood

About it. I think both maybe should look at a light version, which if you hide a develop or you’re developing for the client, you can have the full functionality. But then depending on the client’s needs and wants, you can provide a light version. Because it’s just the learning curve and also by accident, you can do stuff that’s not beneficial for the client, really. But maybe I’m waffling the game. I think we had a good discussion about the broad areas. I’m going to go for our break, folks, and then we’re going to go back to some of the key, really fantastic functionality in this new version of WordPress 6.2. We will be back in a few moments, folks.


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[00:23:06.050] – Jonathan Denwood

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[00:23:40.990] – Jonathan Denwood

Enjoy the rest of your show. We’re coming back. I just want to point out that we’ve got a great community Facebook group area under the banner of the membership machine show. It’s My other podcast. Go and have a listen. It’s all about WordPress, but we’re focused on membership and learning management and community websites. Go over there, sign up. We got a load of entrepreneurs, membership people, and WordPress people. Be part of the community. I know Kirk’s part of it, Spence and myself, and a lot of other key people in the WordPress. Come and join us there. It’s all free. We’d love for you to go over there. You’ll find the links in the show notes of this podcast or YouTube video. So let’s go into something that really needed, and I think it looked really powerful, and it was the new navigation block, because I think that was a bit painful until this update, but I think they’ve done a really sweet job on this and it’s made the whole experience so much better. What was your own thoughts about that?


[00:24:56.780] – Kurt von Ahnen

I think in theory, it was a great idea in use. It was a real stumbling block, man. I, out of habit, went into adjust my menu in the menu screen. The menu menu, I went to change the menu, and then when I went back to the site, the changes didn’t take effect as in I eliminated items from my menu. And then when I went back to the site to view the changes, I didn’t see the changes. And I was like, Oh, what have I done? And so I went back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then I ended up going into the header, go into the navigation block that you’re talking about. And then there were ways to edit that navigation block within the site editor. Once I made those changes, everything took effect. And so it’s just a matter of recognizing, yeah, things have changed. Some elements are a little bit different. And so there’s an extra I to dot an extra T to cross.


[00:25:57.010] – Jonathan Denwood

But is the improvement?


[00:25:59.060] – Kurt von Ahnen

I think in being able to work in it from a graphic interface perspective, being able to make the change to the menu and see it happen on the screen, that’s an improvement. I think users are going to like that.


[00:26:11.740] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, I think it was one of the highlights because it’s pretty important. I think before this update, it was lacking quite a bit. I’ve got to be honest to the listeners and viewers, I’m not active. I’ve been thinking of spending time really doing a deep dive, and I am really considering it now. But I knew it was in flux, I knew. But I knew the team, there’s a lot more resources. The new, well, the team at Guthenburg, I think I’m really on the right track now. I want to be really positive because I do see it as the future and I do see the real power of it. So let’s go on to another really important because I want to keep myself on track because I feel I’ll be waffling quite a bit in this podcast. Fluid topography. I think this is another really big one because it’s going to make the whole thing with dealing with text. If you’re not, if you’re a DIY or you’re somebody attempting to build your own website and you don’t have that graphic design development experience dealing with text on desktop and then crucially on mobile and tablet mobile, the devices, your website, it can soon get pretty ugly pretty quick.


[00:27:50.640] – Jonathan Denwood

But with this fluid topography… So I think it’s another biggie.


[00:27:56.640] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, I would definitely agree. And again, I’m going to mirror that with another page builder. When you’re working in other page builders.


[00:28:05.150] – Jonathan Denwood

You have to.


[00:28:08.920] – Kurt von Ahnen

But you can design for mobile, right? And so it’s taking that mobile first perspective of like, here’s what it looks like on the screen, here’s what it looks like in mobile, here’s what it looks like. And so now you have a better ability to control that in the WordPress space without those page builders, which is nice. They’re catching up. It’s a great feature.


[00:28:29.960] – Jonathan Denwood

We go back to it. This is the contradiction of this episode of this whole discussion about 6.2 because you can’t just take it outside the vacuum of what’s going on with the other page builders, can you really?


[00:28:48.980] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, you transition to something, and I almost broke in to say it earlier, but I’ll say it now. There is one element of working in WordPress and working in Guttenberg that I think is so much better hands down than any other page builder I’ve used. And I know that this attracts you, Jonathan, you’re a long form content writer. And I know that when I do work with Liff toe, they’re long form content writers. And if you’re a long form content writer, being able to write, especially in a distraction free area in the WordPress Guttenberg environment, is an unbelievable relaxation.


[00:29:22.260] – Jonathan Denwood

Compared to something else. I didn’t add that, so thanks for that, because I wasn’t too sure if that should be one of the major key points. But thanks for that because I should have added it. I was thinking of adding it. I just made the decision not to. But you see that as another really big key improvement of the experience.


[00:29:43.020] – Kurt von Ahnen

That’s a big enough improvement that I have encouraged my last few clients to stick on the Guttenberg example rather than a page builder because I know they’re going to want to write. When you’re in Elementor and you’re adding text, you have that little tiny column to the left to try and put all your content in.


[00:29:59.180] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s not very good, isn’t it? It’s really a weakness, isn’t it?


[00:30:02.970] – Kurt von Ahnen

It’s a disconnect. It’s a mental disconnect from the content and its display. And so Guttenberg does a wonderful job of being able to see that and format it and make it what you want.


[00:30:13.660] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s a really strong point. Thanks for that, because you’re so right. That’s one of the problems. See, none of these solutions, they all got their good and strong points and their weak. It’s just the reality of the situation, folks. In the WordPress community, it tends to get a bit religious, especially around paid. If you want to get two passionate discussions, the two subjects you can guarantee is hosting and page builders. If you want to get people going and get their religious side going as well, as I call it. Let’s go on to sticky and transparent headers. This is another really big improvement. They’ve really enabled you to have a transparent header, sticky, really visual, just the usability, but actually is really important and it really does improve the experience having this, doesn’t it?


[00:31:18.230] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah. Now, this specifically is one of my weak spots. I’ve got a couple of projects I want to experiment with on this and get better at it. And people love it. Clients love when you can get and have a sticky element of the website and have things scroll with it.


[00:31:33.530] – Jonathan Denwood

And the last thing, the new media inserter block. Because the media library does need a lot of love and work, in my opinion. I was quite impressed with this as well. I forgot what open license image library it’s working. I forgot the name of it, but really quite powerful. I was quite impressed with this. What’s your own thoughts about this?


[00:32:10.280] – Kurt von Ahnen

Inserting the media for me in different elements of the site, that wasn’t so much different. But what I always had a hard time with in the Guttenberg area was being able to adjust margins and padding and positioning. And if I’m doing a media and text block, is it all at the top? Is it in the middle? Is it skewed? And the new version of Guttenberg and being able to get in and manage that more efficiently is a really big advantage. It’s, I mean, leaps and bounds. Could it be a little better? Could it be a little more infinite in its ability to move things around pixel by pixel? Yeah. But where it’s at now is a big leap forward.


[00:32:54.140] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s confusing for us. It’s confusing for other experience developers, designers, implementers. It’s where the balance between a third party block library. But I suppose the same thing applies to Elementor because Elementor has third party widget libraries. There’s a whole ecosystem based on that that’s on hundreds of thousands of websites. Whole businesses have been built on widgets for Elementor because I think they got almost… There was saying in their last newsletter that I quickly read from Alameda that they’re saying that they’ve got almost 8 % to 10 % of the WordPress install market on Alameda. I think that’s between 11 to 16 million websites or something. Just unbelievable figures, aren’t they?


[00:34:02.350] – Kurt von Ahnen

When you think about the economy of scale and how when you have to build something and know that that many people are going to have their hands on it, that’s a lot of responsibility.


[00:34:12.230] – Jonathan Denwood

It is. I’m really impressed with this update with what the work the team has done. I think they’ve really moved on the experience. I still have some, but it’s really some reservations about some of the UX decisions, these little three dots. But you see that a lot on a lot of software. If you know and you’re using it a lot, it becomes there’s I’m always conservative or a little bit cynical when people say, You should have interface that a new user, they come in and they know how to use it straight away. I think that’s very rare and gets more and more difficult to achieve as the more you’re doing in that interface and building a website. So there’s always a balance about what is realistically achievable for the new user and what they’re going to have to play around with the interface and look at some tutorials and get used to the UX platform. I always felt it’s a little bit propagandist to say. I still have some slight drawbacks about some of the UX decisions, but I think the team… This is quite an impressive improvement. What’s your own thoughts? There were.


[00:35:56.240] – Kurt von Ahnen

Certain things that I found a distraction. For instance, in Guttenberg, when you’re working with something graphical like a pricing table, instead of the page sliding left and right, it condenses. So your pricing table now is these tiny columns, tiny but tall columns of content. And then when you preview the page, then you see what the finished product would look like.


[00:36:21.550] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s not great, is it? No.


[00:36:23.420] – Kurt von Ahnen

That disconnect is a lot for people to get around. But looking at where we were two years ago and where we’re at a year ago and where we’re at today in this environment, it’s been leaps and bounds and it’s getting better and better. And I think, again, if we just focus on the basics and we see the path of the direction that this whole project might be going in, there is a positive to take away from that. Yeah.


[00:36:47.210] – Jonathan Denwood

I was, I don’t say disillusioned, but I was quite, I don’t know how to put it in words, to be fair. I was just a little bit concerned about where Guthenberg was. I’m more upbeat about it with what’s been happening recently. A lot of people said to me, Well, you’re being unrealistic because it will rely on third party. It’s always been that way. It just relies on third party. And I could see where they were coming from. But I still had my concerns about where it was two years, almost two and a half, three years. I was just expecting it to be a lot more polished. And it should be more advanced than a lot of solutions where it seemed to be behind the ball, really, on a lot of smaller teams. And i just want to verbalize it because I was getting enough grief as it has been seen as a Guttenberg hater. But this has been an impressive update. And if they can keep it going, I think it will end up being a really impressive solution. And I never thought I would be saying that. I got a bit disillusioned about it a little bit.


[00:38:12.990] – Jonathan Denwood

So I’m determined to finish up the folks on this because it’s my birthday today, and it’s not been a great morning, but I’m determined to have a reasonably upbeat day. Can we sing Happy?


[00:38:27.040] – Kurt von Ahnen

Birthday to you on your podcast. Of course, you can.


[00:38:30.330] – Jonathan Denwood



[00:38:30.920] – Kurt von Ahnen

Birthday to you.


[00:38:32.760] – Jonathan Denwood

Happy Birthday.


[00:38:34.900] – Kurt von Ahnen

To you. Happy Birthday, Jonathan Dunwood. Happy Birthday to you. Thank you.


[00:38:43.980] – Jonathan Denwood

That was sweet. That was a bit of a rough morning. It’s getting better. So we’re going to wrap it up now, folks. Like I say if you want to watch this, we’ve got a great YouTube channel, and part of it shows the podcast. So go over to YouTube, look for WP-Tonic, and subscribe to the YouTube channel because I push a lot of YouTube content, which I think you’ll find really interesting. And it’s also the podcast. We got some fabulous guests also coming up. I’ve got some; I had some people who recently agreed to come on the podcast this month and next. Kirk and I have some great interviews coming up; we’ll see you soon. See you soon, folks. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. We really do appreciate it. Why not visit the Mastermind Facebook group? And also, to keep up with the latest news, click WP. Tonic. Com newsletter. We’ll see you next time.


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