#95 – The Membership Machine Show:Should You Use A Membership Plugin Or LMS Plugin For Creating An Online Course?

October 7, 2024

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Should You Use A Membership Plugin Or LMS Plugin To Create An Online Course?

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[00:00:02.730] – Jonathan Denwood

Welcome back, folks, to the Membership Machine Show. This is episode 95. In this episode, we’re going to be talking about whether you should use a Membership Plugin or should you use an LMS plugin, a learning management system plugin. If you’re looking to build your membership community-focused website on WordPress, as you know, we look at all the solutions. Still, we recommend WordPress because of digital ownership reasons and design changes, as well as the flexibility and power that WordPress offers. Before Before we go in this great subject, Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the new listeners and viewers quickly?

[00:01:07.660] – Kurt von Ahnen

Sure. Kurt-von-Ahnen owner of MananaNoMas. We focus on membership and learning websites and working with folks like you at WP-Tonic and the good folks at Lifter LMS.

[00:01:21.460] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s fantastic. As I said, we’re going to be looking at this subject. It causes a lot of confusion. I’ve got my own opinions about this, strong opinions. I’m not saying that I’m right. It’s not a black-and-white question, but I can give you some honest guidance. And I’m sure Kirk has his own opinions as well. But before we go into this great show, I’ve got a message from one of our major sponsors. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. We’re coming back, folks. I also want to point out we’ve got a fabulous resource for you, a course that shows you how to build a membership community-focused website on WordPress from beginning to end. Kirk himself does it. It’s a fantastic resource. We’re offering it at a reduced discount if you go to the WP tonic deal page. We got some special offers from sponsors and a curated list of the best WordPress plugins and services that enable you to quickly build a membership website on WordPress. What more could you ask for? To get all these goodies, all you have to do is go over to Wp-tonic.

[00:02:56.950] – Jonathan Denwood

Com/deals. Wp-tonic. Com/deals. And all the goodies are there. Right, let’s go straight into it. So I must be asked this quite regularly. Should I use a membership plugin or LMS? I understand the question because if anybody searches on Google about this, they will get a thousand different answers on every page. Many of these pages are about people selling membership plugins or learning management systems. Suppose you want to build a real business based on eLearning and have actual plans. I would not hesitate to say that you should use an LMS. That should be Lifter LMS because of the free core, and with the addition of one add-on plugin that I think will cost you around $120-$150, you can quickly up and run and sell your courses quite easily. And I don’t feel for the flexibility, future proofing, and just having all that value that Lifter LMS offers, it can beaten. What do you reckon, Kirek?

[00:04:35.040] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, so many people come from many different use cases, and you tackled part of the question and directed it towards Lifter, which I ultimately agreed with. Out of the learning platforms that I’ve been able to be involved with firsthand, Lifter is the one that has those well-integrated content restriction tools that the membership plugin is known for. That’s one of the most substantial things that point in that direction.

[00:05:05.740] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, but there’s always another side of this.

[00:05:10.420] – Kurt von Ahnen

When I said all use cases, I saw some people use a membership plugin so that they can get access to a course that’s hosted in Google Docs somewhere. There are a million ways to do things, but I think the goal is to simplify it and what will drive revenue for you and create stability.

[00:05:30.260] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah. But there are scenarios, folks, that you might not want to utilize something like Lifter LMS or LearnDash or all the ones we will discuss. You just got a really, very simple course. You don’t want to use the SAS because you’re happy with WordPress. If that’s the case, I would probably look for a plugin. But the thing is, some of these membership plugins are pretty complicated and powerful themselves, almost as complicated to set up as looking at a learning management system, they are. If somebody told you that they’re committed to using a membership plugin, is there anything that comes to mind that you would recommend, Kurt?

[00:06:31.910] – Kurt von Ahnen

I’m already partial to one, but that’s just because I interact with people so much. Yeah, go for it. That’s paid membership pro.

[00:06:39.630] – Jonathan Denwood

Fantastic. It’s a fantastic membership plugin.

[00:06:42.540] – Kurt von Ahnen

Then, of course, I was friends with Thomas when he was working at Member Press for a little bit, and I got some exposure there, and that seemed like a fairly solid thing. Then you and I have both experimented with Sure members, and we’ve just used that on a client site very successfully.

 

[00:06:59.070] – Jonathan Denwood

They are the three leaders, in my opinion. There’s a load of others. Some of them are fantastic, but they’re the three that if somebody said they wouldn’t want to use a learning management system, they want to use a membership plugin, I don’t think you’re going to go wrong with either of those. There is a fourth, and that’s member-dash. That’s part of the people that have built LearnDash. I actually would still, even with LearnDash, I would use the three that we have mentioned, but it’s not saying that member Dash is terrible. I just don’t have any direct experience with it. So I’m hesitant to recommend anything that I’ve not used myself. All the three that Kirk has mentioned, I’ve utilized Member Press. I didn’t use that. I haven’t used that for quite a while, but it’s got a great team. But those three, they’re not cheap either. The best value is Sure Press. I’m getting mixed up. Sure member. Sure member. Sure member. And it integrates with SureCart, which Which is a total alternative to WooCommerce. They offer a great free-level package, and it works really well with SureMember, and that’s another attraction. But it’s all swings and roundabouts, folks.

 

[00:08:55.460] – Jonathan Denwood

Now, if you are going to look at a learning management system, really, let’s start off with Lifter LMS. And you can buy individual add-on plugins. The one that will enable you to sell courses is their Stripe. They do offer PayPal. I would just start with the Stripe. It will cover you. If you’re in North America or Europe, you’re going to be able to just that. If you’re in another part of the world, you might have to just look at PayPal because Stripe won’t cover your actual geo area. I think both are Between 120 and 150 if you need to use. They do-Yeah. Go on, Tim.

 

[00:09:51.470] – Kurt von Ahnen

I’m going to sound a little bit like a commercial here. They’ve been running this 50% off on the first year of access sale for a while. It says It’s $150 a year, but you get the first year for 75 bucks.

 

[00:10:04.580] – Jonathan Denwood

I always quote on the normal prices, but that’s a great point. It’s a great deal, folks, because You get an enormous amount of functionality with the core free product of Lifter LMS. It’s ridiculously powerful out of the gate, and I don’t think you’re It’s going to go wrong. Another great solution is LearnDash. For historical reasons, they never had a way of selling subscriptions. You always used to have to use a third-party membership plugin. Member Press used to be very tightly used with it. I think you can use your cart. Then they developed their own, and I’ve just noticed recently, they’ve removed that from the LearnDash pricing page. It used to be option, and they’re now selling member Dash on its own page. It’s not mentioned on the LearnDash prices page. I think it was causing confusion. I’ve never used it, and I’m not having a go at it. I just feel they were in a difficult position because if they offered the solution integrated, it would upset their relationship with other members There’s a lot of membership plugins out there. So I think they’ve been in a difficult position here. But that’s the main thing.

 

[00:11:56.150] – Jonathan Denwood

I don’t think when it comes to functionality, core functionality, there’s much difference between LearnDash and Lifter LMS. It’s a UX taste thing. I think the complicated bit when it comes to LearnDash is that if you’re going to sell subscriptions, you’re going to have to get a membership plugin to really do it. That’s why it can get a little bit more confusing than Lifter LMS. Would you agree with that?

 

[00:12:29.950] – Kurt von Ahnen

I absolutely agree. When we talk to clients, because the part that I try to remember is who are we talking to today? Who’s interested in what we’re actually speaking about? And it’s people that mainly haven’t done it before. If we were talking to people that were already in our circles, they’d be like, Oh, yeah, I got you, Kurt. I know what you’re talking about. But when you’re talking to new folks, I try to focus on simplicity, the most direct answer to your goal, the most. And Lifter LMS comes out of the gate with those things ready. It already does subscriptions. It already does. If you have the Stripe add-on, and it just works. Whereas if you have to cobble together a couple of extra Lego blocks to make something work, it adds complexity. But to your point, and I want to be fair in this, I’ve got clients on LearnDash, and the actual course and lesson structure and the delivery of content, that is all on par. There’s nothing substandard about that at No.

 

[00:13:31.150] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s very good. To be honest about it, some people like it a lot more than the Lifter way of doing it. I don’t think there’s a lot of difference. I think it’s just pure styling and UX design, slight differences. But I think fundamentally, I don’t think the outcome is much different from Lifter LMS and LearnDash. It’s just that with LearnDash, you’re going to have to You have a third-party membership plugin. You could say, Oh, yeah, but you’re going to have to get add on with Lifter LMS. Well, it just adds that linkage to Stripe. It’s a lot simpler to get your head around than the whole membership plugin. Sorry.

 

[00:14:21.960] – Kurt von Ahnen

It’s an automatic integration. It’s nothing that you have to figure out or source or look up directions on. You click the button and it works.

 

[00:14:28.810] – Jonathan Denwood

You’re going to to do the same with LearnDash. They’ve got a free Stripe. It’s a free add-on in LearnDash, but you got to get that Stripe add, that free add-on in LearnDash to get the connection anyway. So to me, it’s a different, easier setup. Let’s go on to another one before we go for a break because this is going to be a short show. Tuta LMS. Really come on the scene. It’s got a free product. The thing with it is that if you want to take subscriptions, and I’m I’m not really sure I’m about this, you’re going to have to use weird commas if you want to do the subscription. And if you’re happy with that, it works fine. But a lot of people don’t like that. I used to oscillate with this, but being that we offer Sure member, and it really works well with SureCart, if they’re not happy with the Lifter LMS, and they want a bit extra, we recommend that. And then if they got sophisticated or very customizable needs. Then we’ll look at WU commerce. But Tuta is a great solution, and they offer a free product. But if you’re going to need to sell courses.

 

[00:16:16.750] – Jonathan Denwood

You’re going to have to use Woocommers with it. Am I correct about that?

 

[00:16:20.630] – Kurt von Ahnen

I think that you are. I think everything you described was correct. That Woocommerce subscriptions add-on, did you quote the price? I didn’t hear it. It’s like 2.99 a year now, right?

 

[00:16:35.620] – Jonathan Denwood

It is.

 

[00:16:36.790] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah. I think they just had a price increase. That’s always a strong consideration for me when I’m looking at a tech stack for a client and what their obligations are going forward.

 

[00:16:47.280] – Jonathan Denwood

If you got a mature up and coming membership website and you want to sell digital products and physical products, or you’re using payment gates Waze that are different than Stripe and PayPal, you can have no problem with it. I’d like to point out, if you host with WP, Tony, you get that as well if you want to use WooCommerce. But we offer a lot of different solutions as part of our hosting package. But it’s got a really nice interface. I think it’s very similar. I think all these three are very similar in some ways. The outcome, you’re going to have no problem getting the outcome that you’re looking for with Eva. It’s more where you are in your WordPress, your membership business journey more than anything. Would you agree with that?

 

[00:17:53.140] – Kurt von Ahnen

So far, the three that we’ve talked about have been very similar. Tudor Tudor LMS to me, I’m going to… Well, I hate to say it like this, but a lot of people from overseas seem to recommend Tudor LMS primarily as opposed to LearnDash or Lifter. When I talk to vendors and suppliers out of Bangladesh, Vietnam, Pakistan, Tudor LMS comes up a lot. And so I don’t know if it’s a regional thing. I can’t put my finger on it.

 

[00:18:29.100] – Jonathan Denwood

I’m not that level of an Because a lot of those areas, they can’t use Stripe.

 

[00:18:34.890] – Kurt von Ahnen

I don’t know what gateways they’re hooking up to it, but Tudor is usually the first recommendation that I hear from people overseas.

 

[00:18:44.910] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, but I think that’s the reason. Because a lot of people, for understandable reasons, don’t want to use PayPal because they’re a nightmare to deal with. Especially when you get chargebacks, Which you’re going to get with a membership website. They’re not great people. Their subscription solution until recently has been a nightmare. And it took them years to bring out version 2.0, I think. Or is it 3.0? I can’t remember. It took them years to bring it out. It has come out. It’s been out over a year now, I think, and it’s a lot better. But in general, they’re a bit of a nightmare to deal with if you’ve got a membership. But that’s why I think a lot of the people that you pointed out is that Stripe, I think it will work in certain African countries, but a lot of South America, a lot of the Indian subcontinent continent, the Far East, the Middle East, you can’t use Stripe.

 

[00:19:50.800] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah.

 

[00:19:52.790] – Jonathan Denwood

There’s a certain degree of Eastern European countries it doesn’t work with either, like Serbia, Montalego, there’s a number of those countries, Georgia. I don’t think it works there either. I think it works for North America, some parts of Africa, and most European countries that are part of the Common Market and the UK, which is out the Common Market. I think you’re fine there. I think we’re going to go for our middle break, and we’re going to look at some of the other solutions out there. We will be back in a few moments, folks. Three, two, one. We’re coming back, folks. I want to point out we’ve got a fabulous free resource to help you build your membership website on WordPress, and I think you should look at WordPress. It’s driving 42 to 44% of the internet of all websites. There’s a reason why that is. And for ownership, you can’t be beaten for the short, medium, and long term in building your membership community website. I want to point out that this free resource is the Membership Machine Show Facebook group, where we have a mixture of WordPress professionals with people like you trying to build your membership website.

 

[00:21:29.930] – Jonathan Denwood

Just go to Facebook, put the Membership Machine Show in the search, and the group page will come up, and you can join for free. Please do. And it would be great that you do that. It’d be a great sign that you’re supporting the podcast. So let’s move on to Senni. Senni. Am I pronouncing it? I always struggled with-Sensei. Sensei, always struggled with it.

 

[00:21:58.250] – Speaker 3

Sensei.

 

[00:22:00.780] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s developed by Automatic, the company behind WordPress. I’m not going to go through the relationship of Automatic with WordPress. It’s complicated. For a long period, it was been updated, but it was dormant. They really weren’t adding a lot of functionality to it. And a lot of people only looked at it because of its tight integration with WooCommerce. That’s also owned by Automatic. About two years ago, they decided that they were going to invest more money into it, and especially its integration with Gutenberg is quite tight with this integration, which is a way of building WordPress websites. To me, they spent time on it, but for the past year, most of ’24, I think it’s been put on the back burner again. I think I might be totally unfair about this. And it’s not terrible. The pricing, it’s okay, but in no shape or form. They do offer a free version, but what you get with Lifter’s free version, I think Lifter is still much better value. It’s not terrible, but in my opinion, it doesn’t compare to the free that we talked about in the first half of the show. What’s your own thoughts? Am I being unfair here, Kurt?

 

[00:23:53.270] – Kurt von Ahnen

It’s another one of my comments that might bring some angst in the comments here. Sensei is the one for me that I have never seen success with a client in, ever. When you go to their homepage and it’s a nice looking homepage, and they got great testimonials and pictures with sites that got 10,000 paying students and all this, But the user journey through this platform, it just doesn’t seem intuitive. There’s a missing element. I don’t know if you call it design, user experience, UX.

 

[00:24:28.460] – Jonathan Denwood

I call it focus.

 

[00:24:30.120] – Kurt von Ahnen

It is. The clients that I have helped with this product, bar none, all of them had ended up becoming migrations from this product to another platform. I can’t sit here and say that it doesn’t work or say that it’s junk. It’s not. But when you compare it to the other three that we already discussed, I think you get a better student journey and a better administrative experience with the students in the other platforms than you do with Sensei. I think you get more control over some of the content, the way it looks, the way it delivers, and I think the students are happier in different platforms.

 

[00:25:13.420] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, it’s more to do with the parent company, Automatic, which are great people, but they just got too much going on. They got too many fingers in too many pies, folks, and they’re stretched, and it shows, in my opinion. Other people It’s good to have a totally different opinion to mine. It’s only my honest opinion. They lose focus regularly on one thing and the other because they just got too many… Not only are they supporting the whole WordPress to some degree, and they’ve got other big plugins. They’ve got other SaaS-based services that they’re supporting, and a host of other services that they’re promoting. They just got too much going on, and it shows. On to the next one, Learn Press. This is quite popular. It comes up. It’s a theme, though. It’s a theme with functionality built into it, and I just do not like that concept at all. But it’s really popular, isn’t it?

 

[00:26:28.660] – Kurt von Ahnen

I was on an earlier with a different company today, and I had the same exact sentiment about a different product. So I said, What do you think about this theme? And I’m like, I know that people get attracted by these themes that say, Hey, we book your appointments, we have your courses, we walk your dog, we do all these things. I want my theme to be my global styling for my website, and I want my functions to come from plugins. I don’t want to get locked into anybody’s weird walled garden and have something fall out of development and not get maintained.

 

[00:27:02.430] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, it always bites you on the backside, folks. Take it, it’s gospel. You want to keep the functionality with plugins and installing. Obviously, Obviously, every learning management system, it should take the keys to starting to some degree from the theme. Because WordPress over the last few years has become even more Balkanised, as I say, with the page builders, the themes. It’s got even more confusing for the average new user. But if you stay with the major page builders, Gutenberg or non-Gutenberg, and you stay with the major learning management system plugins, it will normally work out for you. I’m just not a fan. They offer a free product. They do offer a bundle, which they’re highly discounting at the present moment. Normally, it’s $710 per year. Which I think is a bit rich, but they’re offering a tremendous discount at the present moment. And a lot of people like it because they’re the free product, but I just don’t like… I don’t know anything about the company. They’re probably fantastic people. I just don’t I like the concept. On to the next one. Now, this one is a difficult one because it’s been around a long time.

 

[00:28:37.020] – Jonathan Denwood

I think they actually started out before LearnDash because LearnDash started before Lifter LMS, a bio One to two years. Might have been a little bit longer. But I think WP Courseware started before LearnDash, actually. I might be wrong, but I think they did. And they’re from a company called Fly Plugins. I’m not going to… I’m going to leave… So somebody asked you about WP Coolswear. What are you going to say, Kurt?

 

[00:29:10.850] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, I have this problem with being honest with people, and that’s going to be, I haven’t looked at it in a decade. To your point, it’s been around for a while. Then you brought it back to my attention, not for this show, but I’d say probably a year ago, you and I had a conversation about it. I just went back in and I was like, Okay, how much has changed? How much is different? It works. It works well. I just don’t have enough new experience with it to really be an expert and comment here.

 

[00:29:41.150] – Jonathan Denwood

It’s going to be easier to set up than LearnDash and Lifter because it’s setting up the login. It’s getting your head around. I think with LearnDash, I actually feel that’s a little bit more difficult than Lifter LFS, actually, the login and that. There’s certain parts of LearnDash. I really like its cool structure and its back-end design. I like Lifter as well. But there’s certain elements of LearnDash that I think if you’re a learner, you’re going to struggle a bit more than Lifter LMS, but other people are going to have a totally different opinion than mine on that. I’m not saying this is gospel, this is just my honest opinions, folks. And I think WP Courseware is really, really simple to get up and going, even simpler than Lifter LMS. It’s just limited. It’s just really limited, in my opinion. You’ve got much more scope to build out with Lifter LMS than what… But that’s not what WP Coolsware is aimed at. No. And also they don’t offer a free product, I’m pretty sure. It starts at 159. I just think you’re better off with Lifter LMS, but you’re going Even with Lifter LMS, you’re going to have to jump through a few more hoops than with WP Coolswear.

 

[00:31:08.810] – Jonathan Denwood

But in the medium long term, you’re going to be happier with Lifter LMS, in my opinion. Other people would disagree with me.

 

[00:31:18.940] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, it’s such a dichotomy type of conversation when you talk about this particular product because part of you is like, it’s stable, it’s been around forever. It is an all one solution, right? So WP courseware, unlike LearnDash, right? So it comes with membership functionality, it comes with content restriction tools. You can sell your courses through PayPal and credit card. It has that, and it does have some integrations available. It’s been around for so long that obviously when you get into more advanced features like WP Fusion, Automator WP, it’s been around for so long that those recipes exist. And so you can build on it. It’s just, I think to Jonathan’s point, if you’re really looking for a full-featured LMS, I think Lifter is going to come with more punch.

 

[00:32:10.860] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, but it’s a difficult… I know the owners or the owners slightly. They seem really great people and they’ve got a lot of legacy SEO and they’ve got a lot of users and I think they’re doing okay. I would recommend WP Coolsware a lot more than Learn Press or Sancy, to be honest about it. I would then recommend to I would then recommend LearnDash. And my top recommendation for this individual small company, entrepreneur, trying to build a membership I can make a membership website, I wouldn’t have any hesitation in recommending Lyfter NMS. But if they wanted to use LearnDash or Tuta, I’ve got no problem with it because I think they’re going to be happy with those as long as they understand. It’s the membership plugin part of LearnDash and the login scenario that I think people struggle with LearnDash. With the tutor, I totally agreed with you, and I think it’s because Stripe isn’t available in a lot of the areas where it’s very popular.

[00:33:38.050] – Kurt von Ahnen

When you start describing the avatar that this show is going to, right? You were struggling, startup, bootstrap, just getting going. The critical thing to point out is, especially when you were so supportive of Lifter, Lifter with that free core plugin allows you to build a minimal viable product for free on top of your existing WordPress site. And the add-ons that we mentioned with Lifter are seamless. You buy the add-on and activate it, and you don’t have to redo, reformat, or change anything. So you can build your whole course out. You can make all your membership restrictions, style everything, do everything you want, and get it the way you want. You could even generate revenue off the platform through a generic Stripe application or PayPal or whatever with a button. You could manually run people through the membership and courses to get your first 10 or 20.

[00:34:42.320] – Jonathan Denwood

You don’t even have to buy it. You don’t have to buy the Stripe add-on or the PayPal add-on.

[00:34:48.790] – Kurt von Ahnen

Then, once you have it, I will leave you to say that.

[00:34:53.760] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah.

[00:34:54.260] – Kurt von Ahnen

Once you generate revenue and want to automate the purchase process, you activate that Stripe add-on or dive in on the universe bundle, and then you can really blossom with the thing. But I think, and this is where… I don’t want to talk about the negative side of the building, but I see many people invest upfront and then take so long to get to market or launch instead of launching an MVP. They get hooked on the perfectionist thing, don’t generate revenue, and then don’t react.

[00:35:27.370] – Jonathan Denwood

This is the beautiful thing about Lifter LMS. You got that core thing. You can try it. There’s no time restriction, and you can get, Is this my cup of tea?

[00:35:37.000] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah. Do I want to do this or not?

[00:35:38.640] – Jonathan Denwood

I can’t say that to you, folks. I think it’s great, but you might try it out and not like it, which is fine. But you can try no time limit. You can try the call, you can try it on your website, blah, blah, blah, to your heart’s content, and then you can buy an add-on to take the Stripe payments, and you’re rock and roll. So before we wrap this up, Kirk, is there anything you think we haven’t covered that you want to point out before you wrap up the show?

[00:36:18.070] – Kurt von Ahnen

There’s always something, but I think the important thing for the viewer, the listener, to think about with this particular topic is to do some due diligence, look at the links that Jonathan provides sites, and do a little homework because each use case is different. Each use case is specific. And there are other alternatives to running a course other than an LMS. There are social tools out there that have courses built in. And so if you were going to do a free course and were more focused on community rather than selling a course, the course was just an added benefit; this conversation might have missed you entirely. Maybe you’re thinking of another channel for your leading site. But if the goal was to sell a course, I think doing your homework, matching up your use case to what we’ve described, and then getting in touch and deciding to launch would be the way to go.

[00:37:10.710] – Jonathan Denwood

There are many WordPress professionals, folks, who would bitterly disagree with what I’ve outlined. They would say, Oh, you don’t need a learning management plugin. Just use the member press. Just use the member press. I have no problems with member press. I’m afraid I have to disagree with that argument.

[00:37:29.780] – Speaker 3

I think it’s all-embracing.

[00:37:35.540] – Jonathan Denwood

I can push my comments a bit further. I’m not going to. But people have honest, different opinions. Good luck to them. That’s all I have to say. So, Kurt, what’s the best way for people to learn more about you and your excellent knowledge?

[00:37:54.660] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, I run a company called Manana Nomas. And so manananomas. Com is the website. And then it’s a lot of my social channels, too. You can always find me there.

[00:38:03.420] – Jonathan Denwood

But if you want to, You specialize in Scorm, right?

[00:38:07.890] – Kurt von Ahnen

Scorm, yeah. I’ve grown attached to the idea of helping enterprise clients. Corporations get off these super expensive, ugly, purpose-built Scorm websites and bring them over to something more affordable. That’s a specialty. Yes.

[00:38:25.050] – Jonathan Denwood

Kurt’s become the WP Scorm man. Well, it’s a great little dish. We will return next week with another topic about marketing your membership website or some element connected to building your membership Community Focus website on WordPress. We like to mix up the topics. There’s no point in creating a great membership website. If nobody can find it, you can’t market it correctly. So, we cover all the subjects you need to succeed in 2024 and 2025. We’ll see you next week, folks. Bye.

 

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