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Length: 36:15

(00:00)

Outro: Welcome to the WP-Tonic this week in WordPress and SaaS podcast, where Jonathan Denwood interviews the leading experts in WordPress, eLearning, and online marketing to help WordPress professionals launch their own SaaS.

(00:14)

Jonathan Denwood: Welcome back to the WP-Tonic this week in WordPress and SaaS. It shows 709. You just have me and my great co-host and Andrew Palmer, our guest, unfortunately, and his family, going down with COVID. These things happen, don’t they, tribe? So, what we’re going to be discussing in this show, is all sorts of resources, podcasts, news sites, forums, Facebook groups, anything in the WordPress, SaaS community that we think could add value, that you should look at. It should be a great show; I’m going to let Andrew introduce himself. Andrew, would you like to introduce yourself to the tribe?

(01:00)

Andrew Palmer: Certainly. Hi, Jonathan, nice to see you today on Thursday afternoon for me, Thursday morning for you. Bertha AI is where I’m from, and it’s Andrew Palmer.

(01:10)

Jonathan Denwood: That’s right. That’s great. And before we go into the main part of this show, we have a couple of messages from our major sponsors.

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(02:13)

Jonathan Denwood: We’re coming back. I just want to point out that we have some great special offers from our sponsors, a lot of resources, recommendations of plugins, services for WordPress, and SaaS companies, all being looked at by me or utilized by me, so I have the seal of approval. To get all these goodies, all you have to do is go over to wp-tonic/recommendations. So, let’s go off. So, throw it over to you, Andrew; where do you want to start? What particular resource?

(02:47)

Andrew Palmer: We do a podcast, don’t do a bad job; it’s been going, what, 700 episodes or something; you’ve been going on with this?

(02:54)

Jonathan Denwood: 709 this one.

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Andrew Palmer: 709 episodes of a podcast, that’s good stuff, but in our space, there are a lot of podcasters out there. There’s WP Builds with Nathan, he does WP Tavern Jukebox as well, and he also does another one with his partner, David Waumsley, and he’s a bit greedy on podcasts. I have to have an excellent little go at Nathan Wrigley here because he’s just started a really funny podcast, and it’s called because we’re NSFW here; it doesn’t matter; not suitable for work, but it’s called A Shit Show.

And it’s hilarious, it’s just them, literally, doing what we’re doing now, and he’s, basically just turning up once every so often, I don’t think there’s a plan behind it, just talking shit, it’s as simple as that, and they issued their first.

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Jonathan Denwood: I made my career on doing that, so there we go.

(03:54)

Andrew Palmer: Exactly. I listened to it yesterday; they just call it money, and they talk shit about money for an hour. Well, this

(04:01)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, I suggest we go and do podcasts first, and then news, information, websites, and then maybe WordPress groups, forums. How does that sound?

(04:13)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah.

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Jonathan Denwood: So, you plugged him.

(04:17)

Andrew Palmer: I’m not plugging him; I’m just saying it’s quite an exciting concept.

(04:20)

Jonathan Denwood: Yeah, well, there we go. Well, I think when it comes to podcasts, about three to four are like me, the granddaddies of podcasting. I think if you’re interested in it, you have to go over to Jason Tucker, a great guy, and have a listen to the watercooler podcast. I think that’s a great resource. We’re going to have all the links in the show notes, folks, so don’t worry. Another one is a friend of the show, but he hasn’t been on for a long time; is Adam Silver, the Kitchen Sink WP, I think that’s a great resource. Another great show, a friend of, he periodically comes on, and he’s done a lot of episodes, is the WordPress Plugins A to Z. Do you listen to that one?

(05:20)

Andrew Palmer: I do. Yeah, I had that. Well, I started off a podcast with Mike Demo when Elegant Marketplace was bought by InMotion. We started a little podcast called Tools or Tools. And I don’t know if anyone’s heard of LayerWP, but there’s a guy called Ben, who’s a UK guy from Swindon, with a lovely west country accent, talks like that, and he’s going to start up a podcast. And I wish him well on it, but I just sent him a little tweet because I’ve known him for a decade or more, and I just said, but nobody’s going to understand you because you talk in that west country accent.

So, it’s funny, but we have a connection with podcasts, Castos, a great sponsor of the show. Matt Medeiros works with Castos as well, does his own podcast, has The WP Minute. And I think we’re not overloaded, Joe Casabona; we have a lot of podcasts in our area.

(06:11)

Jonathan Denwood: Yeah.

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Andrew Palmer: What are the podcasts that are in our area that you really like listening to, not the tech side, but give you business advice rather than WordPress or LMS or anything like that? Do you listen to any podcasts that kind of just educate you on how to run a business or anything like that?

(06:27)

Jonathan Denwood: Yeah, I think Startups For the Rest of Us with Rob Walling is a great resource. He’s been doing that on his own, and I forgot who his partner was that periodically comes on the show now, but only very rarely, but he does a great job. This Week in Startups, I listen to that; I’ve really got a love, hate relationship with Jason Calacanis, half the time, I think he’s an absolute drip, absolute piece of shit, to say the least.

(07:12)

Andrew Palmer: And then half of the time, you think the sun shines out of his bum, do you?

(07:15)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, he comes out with some very telling insights about situations and his knowledge about financing online businesses and tech in general. He is insightful; it’s just that there’s a really good side to Jason, and there’s a really awful side. He does another podcast with three of his billionaire buddy types, called All-In.

(07:53)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah. I’ve listened to him a couple of times. It’s a bit, well; you must be strong of heart and mind to listen to that show sometimes, some of the stuff they come out with.

(08:04)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, as long as they keep on business, it’s okay. It’s when sure of their panel really, you think the Friday show occasionally goes off the deep end; if you listen to the All-In, you realize that, no, we don’t. I think another one that’s really good is The Art of Online Business; that’s a really, I forgot the guy that actually does it. He built up a really big audience because he’s an expert on Facebook marketing, but now he does general online business advice.

(08:45)

Andrew Palmer: So, I have a question for you because you’ve done 709, this isn’t the Andrew and Jonathan interview show, but you’ve done 709 podcasts. Why? Why not just use YouTube? Why not just post stuff on YouTube, build up an audience, and live off some advertising revenue? Why do a podcast?

(09:07)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, I think you’re underestimating the amount of work there is involved in building up a YouTube channel, really entirely truthful, the amount, because the reality of it, Andrew, is that the only content that really gets a lot of views is educational content. This is, you show how a particular plugin works, or you talk about page builders, Adam Preiser, he used to come on occasionally on the Round-Table Show. He’s managed to build up a massive pull from.

(10:02)

Andrew Palmer: WPTuts, he has a good.

(10:05)

Jonathan Denwood: Great guy; hopefully, he will return and come on the podcast; he does have.

(10:09)

Andrew Palmer: [Inaudible – 10:09] He does a lot of work with Bertha. Actually, he’s our videographer on Bertha, who did 53 educational videos for us, which is excellent, and still working with him; he’s building up a lovely little audience; he’s sort of teaching people how to use Elementor and doing all sort of life.

(10:24)

Jonathan Denwood: It’s a full-time job to edit those shows, to work them all out, to promote them, to have the consistency where you build up an audience; people just do not understand the amount of work involved.

(10:42)

Andrew Palmer: So, a podcast is more accessible, is that what you’re saying, you just come on and you chat about anything?

(10:45)

Jonathan Denwood: No, it’s not easy, which people find out. But compared to running a successful YouTube channel, it doesn’t mean that I run two other businesses. It’s just about sustainability. What I’m saying is, I’m not saying don’t start a podcast and don’t start a YouTube channel, but I think you have to understand that in 2022 to build that into something that is, the other thing is, I don’t know what it is, but people tend to underestimate the value podcasting in some ways or overvalue. If you can build an audience, it’s a much more intimate relationship than almost; in some ways, I would say, slightly controversially, that it’s probably more intimate than YouTube, maybe.

(11:52)

Andrew Palmer: I get that. I absolutely get that. Yeah, of course, because I’m going to listen to the Friday show because it’s regular presenters, they’re going to have a special guest sometimes. I’m going to listen to the Thursday show because there are going to be, certainly on this podcast, there are going to be some, hopefully, exciting guests, and I’m going to get some knowledge from it. And also, occasionally, the banter between you and I gets a bit fruity, and we have to.

(12:15)

Jonathan Denwood: You’re not overbearing, a bit of a handful, couldn’t you?

(12:19)

Andrew Palmer: Make a connection with your audience, don’t you? People mention the fact that I’m on this and mention the fact that I’m on the Friday show, and I’m on a couple of other podcasts I go on, I do The WP Minute; occasionally, it’s lovely. But the point is that, why do you think they are on a podcast? And we can move on from podcast in a minute, but I’m interested because you’re an experienced podcaster, you listen to a load. I listen to probably four or five within the industry and maybe two or three outside of the industry, I listen to a couple of comedic podcasts out there because I need comedy in my life, a bit of a laugh.

Why do you think it is that a podcaster feels that they have something to offer an audience? How do they get to that point in their life that they say, you know what, I’m going to start a podcast because I think what I have to say is essential, and I think I can build an audience, and they can do that? Is it like, do people wish to be a DJ? I loved doing a podcast when I had it when I had a podcast.

Do you want to be a DJ? Do you want to be a presenter? Do you want a bit of kudos for kind of bringing good guests on or talking sense or talking nonsense or whatever? What is it about a person’s ego that wants to do a podcast or what’s unique about a podcast, or what makes a podcast? That’s what I’m trying to ask you.

(13:42)

Jonathan Denwood: I don’t think there is a set; I think it’s a bit like business success. You can read all the business books you like. Also, you might get some insight and tips. The idea that you can apply something from a business book and get a plan of action that will take you from ground-level to success is delusionary because everybody has to find their own journey. And it’s the same with podcasting; I started it because somebody, my first co-host, Bill Conrad, suggested that it was a good idea, and I thought, why not? And he dropped out; he runs his own little thing. Consistency and being prepared to do all the running around and herding cattle.

(14:46)

Andrew Palmer: Getting guests is hard, isn’t it? And, especially in this very woke world that we live in now, there’s nothing wrong with being woke, but you have to make sure you are as appropriate as you can be in a podcast you’re broadcasting.

(15:02)

Jonathan Denwood: No, I.

(15:03)

Andrew Palmer: You don’t care about that; you’re pretty blasé about that, are you?

(15:07)

Jonathan Denwood: I wouldn’t say blasé; I wouldn’t say that’s correct to utilize the blasé; I wouldn’t agree with that word. On the other hand, I’m not prepared to allow that to make me somehow artificial. Basically, what you hear on the podcast, and what you see on the YouTube channel is basically what you get when you meet me.

(15:34)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah. I know that I’ve met you. Yeah.

(15:37)

Jonathan Denwood: There are a lot of people on podcasts and YouTube; that isn’t the case, is it?

(15:45)

Andrew Palmer: No, it’s true. It’s very accurate. And that’s the thing about the; I like seeing what you see is what you get; we’ve always worked WYSIWYG in the web world. Yeah, when I’ve met people that have broadcast energy, say podcasters, DJs, TV presenters, whatever. It is a different persona; they’re kind of acting, whereas, in the podcast, I mentioned Nathan Wrigley’s WP Builds, he’s not acting; when you meet Nathan, he’s completely Nathan, whether it’s on WP Builds or whatever.

(16:21)

Jonathan Denwood: I’m not attacking. Actually, people to have a persona, I’m just saying I don’t, I don’t think you have, what I’ve observed about you is your rough.

(16:29)

Andrew Palmer: From no personality at all, Jon, nothing.

(16:33)

Jonathan Denwood: You are what you are when here, and if you’re me, but what works for one person doesn’t work for another, we’re all different. So, I think we are coming to a half break. When we come back, we’re going to be talking about some website resources, some Facebook groups, other resources that we read; go to that might help you. We’ll be back in a few moments, folks.

(17:07)

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(18:12)

Jonathan Denwood: We’re coming back. I want to point out that I do an outstanding newsletter. It’s based on the Friday show; we cover all the WordPress and SaaS stories of the week. Plus, I write an editorial, I expand on one of the most interesting stories, get this, and it’s free, and it goes into your inbox on Sundays or Mondays. And to get it, you have to go over to wp-tonic/newsletters, and you can get that newsletter. It’s getting more and more people; it’s growing; I’m really happy about it.

Well, let’s talk about news resources and information resources that I go to, you go to, to keep you informed about WordPress and SaaS. Well, I suppose when it comes to the two that influenced me at the present moment in the WordPress space are, obviously, the Tavern. And I think as a newsletter, they’ve come on the show, and we talk a lot on the Friday show, is WP Masters. So, they’re the two that influenced me in the WordPress space the most at the present moment. Have you got some resources in WordPress?

(19:34)

Andrew Palmer: Well, I do, unfortunately, there is a couple of membership kind of sites, so they will cost you a few dollars, but it’s only, literally, the price of a copy, but it’s The WP Minute, Slack channel, it has 50 people in the WordPress space, they kind of all spread their news. We have a newsroom for links and stuff like that and what’s going on in the world. You have Post Status, a great Slack channel, have a WordPress Slack channel; you can join all that for people commentary and stuff.

Post Status kind of stays away from the drama, which is pretty cool, as does WP Minute. You have the Facebook groups; you have friendly little Facebook groups set up by, I can’t remember who it’s set up by, but I think it’s WP.

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Jonathan Denwood: What do you mean by drama?

(20:19)

Andrew Palmer: Well, you don’t want to, Twitter, for instance, I use as a resource for news and what’s happening in the world and everything, but you have to take a deep breath every time you log into Twitter because it’s full of other stuff and you kind go, oh God, really, I have to face this before I get the proper information. So, what I like about Post Status is its very kind environment; people ask, there’s no such thing as a stupid question because there is no such thing as a stupid question in our world, that’s what I think.

So, Post Status is excellent to take part, and WP Minute, again, is the same. We have some lovely Facebook groups like Focus On Your Biz, that’s great that’s run by Stephanie Hudson, whom we both know pretty well. We have.

(20:59)

Jonathan Denwood: Yeah, she’s my co-host on the Friday show.

(21:04)

Andrew Palmer: We have The Admin Bar, that’s run by Kyle, that’s twenty thousand people in there, you have a group.

(21:11)

Jonathan Denwood: Can you briefly outline what that’s about?

(21:14)

Andrew Palmer: The Admin Bar, Kyle has a nice little; let’s talk about Focus On Your Biz for a minute, there are only about 800 members in there, but it’s really well run, really kind. I was stuck yesterday.

(21:25)

Jonathan Denwood: Can you give a brief outline of what the focus of that group is?

(21:28)

Andrew Palmer: Well, that’s basically focusing on your biz, it’s not about web design mainly, or freelancing or anything, it’s about anybody in this creative industry that we’re in. There’s a community, there’s a Thursday zoom night as well, which is excellent, up to 25, 30 people can attend, between 10 and 25, 30 people attend a nice private zoom call, it’s never recorded, unless it’s educational and could be used and be passed onto somebody else. So, it’s a lovely little community that they’re building up there. And the Facebook group.

(22:02)

Jonathan Denwood: That’s run by Stephanie, and, as you said, what do you think is its focus? Is it aimed at marketing, graphic design, freelancers, or individuals? It’s kind of focused.

(22:17)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah. And agencies as well, in that. But mainly the freelancers, we get some questions about how do I price my stuff correctly, how I deal with customers that have disappeared or ghosted us or even developers that have ghosted us, and how to develop yourself as your business. So, it’s quite a counseling heavy; we try and help each other out, and the successes are, the Thursday zoom group has brought together some people who have accountability meetings every once in a while.

Then you have The Admin Bar, there, Kyle does promote his business or promotes his tables, he sells private Facebook tables where people get together and they actually do mentor each other, so push each other toward business success. But the group itself is very well moderated, it doesn’t need to be that well moderated because the people that are active in it are really lovely people, and stuff goes on in there. But Post Status, you can always ask a question, it has WordPress news, it has tech news, it has SaaS news and it builds up a friendly little community.

So, similar to what we are trying to do in the mastermind group, trying to build up a community, giving people the information that we’re doing, and promoting this podcast. So, it takes a while to grow a group; I used to be an admin of the Divvy Theme Users group, it reached 32,000 people, and Elegant Themes took it over; it’s now at 70,000 people. And it’s a very Elegant Themes focused, and I think what Kyle manages to do and what Stephanie managed to do and in her design group managed to do is not focus it on their business so much as focus it on the people in the group and what they need. And I think that’s the secret to running a good community, and that’s.

(24:09)

Jonathan Denwood: I think all of the three that you’ve brought up are all Facebook groups, is that correct?

(24:13)

Andrew Palmer: They are. Yeah. Yeah.

(24:15)

Jonathan Denwood: So.

(04:17)

Andrew Palmer: Well, apart from Post Status, Slack and WP Minute are also on Slack.

(24:23)

Jonathan Denwood: So, do you have any advice, because like most things to do with Facebook or Slack, especially Facebook, I think, especially when it comes to Facebook, I think it has a role to get you going. And I would probably apply it to LinkedIn because I think LinkedIn had a good group environment, and then they did some changes, and it withered. I think they reversed those decisions and seemed to be trying to encourage more group activity on LinkedIn.

(25:10)

Andrew Palmer: But there is actually a really good WordPress group on LinkedIn. It was started by Robert and a couple of others, and it is focused on WordPress 8,000. That’s a few people; it’s good, isn’t it? And again, that’s very well moderated, so again, logging into LinkedIn, you have to take a deep breath because of all the, I made this much money, or I have this wrong with me, or I have and lots of.

(25:38)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, that’s the point, isn’t it? Because, obviously, they’re opening it up and they’re trying to turn LinkedIn into, obviously, they wanted more traffic, more return people regularly. I’m going to it a bit more regularly; I’m posting a bit more regularly because I run a small Facebook group, but I have problems with Facebook; I don’t really trust them very much. So, what I am saying is, when you were building up this large Divvy community on Facebook, were there any discussions that we’re just leasing, we’re just building this up? Was there ever a discussion or thought, well, maybe we should move it, try and move these people over to a website property?

(26:40)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah, we did try and move people over to a community, and GridPane, actually have done that; they have a little Facebook group for their only customers and peer-to-peer support, and they have an excellent little community going on a private community, which kind of you get much better support on there or much more dedicated peer-to-peer support. But we try to do that, but people love Facebook; it’s convenient, you get notifications, you have to message, you have everything, and it’s free, and I lost access to it; when Eileen died, I lost access to it, as simple as that, she’s died, it wasn’t my group, it was her group, so her family sold it to Elegant Themes, there’s no doubt.

So, I immediately lost access, and that’s the danger because I was still running the business, so there are issues around who owns the platform, so I’m looking at things like Orbital, I’m looking at other platforms that you can build a community on, but.

(27:41)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, the two that come on my radar and I’m just giving my personal advice. I would use Facebook groups to get started or look at a Slack channel; both have their strengths, and both through an interface. Well, you have the experience, but I’ve been told and observed that administrating a large Facebook group isn’t the most joyous experience because of, in some ways, the limitations of the actual platform. And so, does Slack have limitations when it comes to?

(28:24)

Andrew Palmer: It does. They all do.

(28:24)

Jonathan Denwood: The two I would recommend if you get to a specific size is, if you want to go down the SaaS route, is look at Mighty Networks. Or if you want to keep in the WordPress ecosystem, look at BuddyBoss. They’re the two that I would look at if you want to migrate those people over to a platform where you have much more control.

(28:51)

Andrew Palmer: I agree. And one guy has done it in, and I can’t remember his name; he’s going to hate me for it because I’ve joined his WP Hub, I think it’s called. That’s built on WordPress, but it’s difficult for people; let’s say you’re doing all the things, so you’re doing Slack, you’re doing Twitter, you’re doing Instagram, you’re doing LinkedIn, Facebook, and then you have another group that you have to join. You’re a member of certain groups on LinkedIn; how many groups do you want to be a member of, really, let’s be honest? And Facebook is proven, it has a proven track record, and you can start charging for Facebook, so this is the issue with Facebook groups.

(29:37)

Jonathan Denwood: But I’m just really, I totally agree with you, I am just highly wary of getting, I know they’re doing the paid membership now on Facebook. I’m just saying to people and it’s my personal view, that I’m just highly wary of getting in bed with Facebook to any actual involvement with them because they have a track record of screwing their partners and screwing people that have tried to build any substantial business on their platform.

(30:21)

Andrew Palmer: I think the only way then forward for you if you want to build a community is BuddyBoss, because you can put that on your own WordPress instance, and off you go if you want to build [Cross-Talking – 30:30] the one you mentioned before, that’s a SaaS, isn’t it, the whatever you mentioned?

(30:36)

Jonathan Denwood: Oh, Mighty Networks is a SaaS-based company, so you can always go SaaS or you go WordPress. I just want to point it out with Facebook, is that they’re now trying to compete with YouTube, with actual creators, because they never used to offer anything for people that were producing consistent content. And, obviously, you have to get to a certain size or you have to have sponsors for making a living off YouTube, but there are people that make consistent, really good money from YouTube through a combination.

(31:15)

Andrew Palmer: Really, they make millions. There are people out there that make millions, mate.

(31:18)

Jonathan Denwood: They’re very large. And so, Facebook was watching that, so they’ve suddenly offered similar payment structures to YouTube. I follow a few YouTube channels, and some have complained that they were attracting people because they were offering more significant percentages, so people are using Facebook. And then the other factor with Facebook, folks, is, and I’ve had it with clients and that, and it was confirmed by these YouTube channel media providers that have moved some of their content to Facebook, a Facebook video has somehow broken the terms and conditions somehow. And it’s a totally automated system, and unlike YouTube, where you get free strikes, they’ve just banned Facebook, and then three months later, they’re still trying to talk to a human being.

(32:29)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah.

(32:29)

Jonathan Denwood: To actually found out why their Facebook videos are no longer accessible. The thing I’m pointing out, folks, it’s an absolute nightmare dealing with Facebook.

(32:43)

Andrew Palmer: Basically, I think, Jonathan, your message is don’t use Facebook to build views.

(32:46)

Jonathan Denwood: Well, I’m just saying to people, I understand what you’re saying, it’s really convenient, that’s where people are, but use them for what they are. But when you do build a specific size of a community, I would advise people to try and move those people over to another platform because you have to understand you’re dealing with Facebook. That’s my personal opinion. I’m not saying.

(33:13)

Andrew Palmer: Yeah. Also, be prepared to lose a lot of your followers and for it to take an awfully long time to do that. Anyway, moving on, what else we got?

(33:24)

Jonathan Denwood: So, I think we’re coming to the end of the podcast show. I think we can talk about some YouTube resources and some other stuff that we look at. I also want to talk about some of the SaaS resources. So, we’re going to wrap up the podcast part of the show; we’re going to have another 10, 15 minutes of bonus content, which you can watch the whole show, the podcast, and the bonus on the WP-Tonic YouTube channel, which is growing.

We’ve had a few people sign up; I’m really joyous about that. So, go over to YouTube, look for the WP-Tonic and please subscribe, it really helps the podcast and the YouTube channel. So, Andrew, how can people find out more about you and what you are to?

(34:16)

Andrew Palmer: Wow, what we’re to is, you can go to yoast.com, or just search Yoast and Bertha and find a little blog post that Yoast has done because we have a little collaboration going on with them. So, you can find out all about that collaboration with Bertha and Yoast, which is excellent. You can find me at Arnie Palmer on Twitter or go to Bertha.ai, give us a try, it’s friendly and free, and we have a seven-day refund period as well, so best deal ever.

(34:44)

Jonathan Denwood: Yep. So, how’s the increased traffic on the GoDaddy servers?

(34:48)

Andrew Palmer: We picked up a thousand plus new users, free users, and we’ve picked up a few paying users as well, so to say that it’s going well is a slight understatement. It’s great, but the support is still low, which is cool, so it shows it’s quite easy to use. There are a couple of things that.

(35:02)

Jonathan Denwood: You’re not going to answer my question though, about the GoDaddy servers, are you?

(35:06)

Andrew Palmer: I’m not on GoDaddy; the Bertha servers are on very high-end, robust, DigitalOcean servers.

(35:14)

Jonathan Denwood: I’m only teasing.

(35:14)

Andrew Palmer: Managed through gridpane.com.

(35:18)

Jonathan Denwood: I’m only teasing you, Andrew.

(35:18)

Andrew Palmer: And they stood up, mate, I’ll tell you what, we got a lot of traffic, and they stood up. My servers did not even blink. It was great.

(35:27)

Jonathan Denwood: Sorry, tribe, it’s an internal joke between Andrew and me his GoDaddy support.

(35:32)

Andrew Palmer: Don’t poke the bear.

(35:34)

Jonathan Denwood: And if you want to find out more about me, go to the WP-Tonic website; we have loads of content on there about WordPress, about membership websites, we really have a ton of content. We’ll be back next week; we have a special guest next week.

(35:53)

Andrew Palmer: We do have a guest if they don’t get COVID.

(35:55)

Jonathan Denwood: It’s going to be a great show. We’ll see you soon, folks. Bye.

(36:00)

Outro: Hey, thanks for listening; we really do appreciate it. Why not visit the mastermind Facebook group and also to keep up with the latest news, click wp-tonic.com/newsletter. We’ll see you next time.

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