Adam Preiser of WPCrafter The Future of WordPress in 2023?
Adam is the co-founder of both CartFlows, SureMembers, and Presto Player. Plus, he also is the founder of one of the most popular YouTube channels on WordPress, WPCrafter in this interview, we discuss all things WordPress and how to successfully launch products or services in the WordPress space in 2023
How to Successfully Launch Products or Services in The WordPress Space in 2023
Main Questions For Interview
#1 – Adam, can you give the listeners and viewers some insights on your background and how you got involved in WordPress?
#2 – Can you give us some insights connected to your new plugin and service SureCart and SureMembers?
#3 – Can you give us a couple of insights that you like to share with the audience connected to successfully launching a product or service in the WordPress space?
#4 – What did you think of the State of the Word 2022?
#5 – If you go back to a time machine at the beginning of your career, what advice would you give yourself?
#6 – Are there any books, websites, or online recourses that have helped you in your business development that you like to share with the audience?
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[00:00:14.710] – Jonathan Denwood
Welcome back, folks. Today this week in WordPress and SAS, we got a returning guest, a friend of the show, somebody that I Amare.
[00:00:31.370] – Adam Preiser
I have the Doctor Evil right here. Not to mess up the introduction, but.
[00:00:36.490] – Jonathan Denwood
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[00:02:17.950] – Jonathan Denwood
We’re coming back. I just want to say that we got some amazing special deals from our sponsors. Plus we got a list of great plugins if you’re looking to build a membership or a learning management system on WordPress. Got a great list of plugins that we use so you don’t have to hunt for them to get all these goodies. All you have to do is go over to Wptonicdeals and you get all those goodies there. I’ve also got my great co host, got Kurt with me. Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the listeners and views?
[00:03:00.730] – Kurt von Ahnen
Sure. My name is Kurt von Ahnen. I own a little agency called Manana Nomas, which means basically that I get everything done on time and under budget. And folks, I just thrilled to be here with Adam. I met him at WordCamp us. And I’ve been following this stuff for.
[00:03:18.940] – Jonathan Denwood
A long time, so it’s kind of.
[00:03:19.900] – Kurt von Ahnen
Cool to be in the conversation right there.
[00:03:22.430] – Jonathan Denwood
Nathan. So would you like to give an introduction about yourself and how you got into WordPress in general to the new list? There’s some views you might for some reason not know you.
[00:03:35.910] – Adam Preiser
I’m sure there’s a ton of people that have never come across me or one of my videos. But I’m working to fix that anyways. And me and Kurt are actually neighbors. He’s not like next door neighbors, but we might as well be in terms of he’s in the neighboring city of mine. But my name is Adam. Most people might recognize my voice or my beautiful bald head from YouTube. I was probably one of the earliest folks on YouTube making videos regarding WordPress, building websites, building your business online. And so that’s where my claim to fame would be, if you could call it that. But then probably, what was it, 2017? I decided to get into making products. And so there are several very successful products that we’ve come to market with. Cart Flows was the first. And then we came out with Presto Player. I love presto player. It’s the most amazing video player for WordPress and more recently, Shore, Cart and Shore members. And there’s about three new things coming in 2023.
[00:04:49.950] – Jonathan Denwood
Oh, that’s great, because Adam, you got plenty of my money. I’ve bought all your stuff. So I’ve contributed quite a bit. Sure. Car and shore members. Why that direction and why that particular product market position took your fancy? That particular area.
[00:05:26.150] – Adam Preiser
So there’s actually multiple ways I could answer that. One, we’ll go back to the early days. So the first product I came out with was Cartflows. And cartflows is for WooCommerce. So it turns WooCommerce into a tool that can have an optimized checkout upsells, order bumps and all this kind of stuff. And we gained a ton of experience through the Card Flows experience, working with we have now about 250,000 merchants using Cart Flows. So we got a ton of experience into the needs of a merchant as well as being merchants ourselves. And so I wanted to do something actually, I probably wouldn’t recommend this to just anyone, but I wanted to do something bigger. Everything I try to do next is bigger than the thing I did prior. And so when looking at e commerce with WordPress, I’m sure I’m not the only one that would agree there should be more options on the market than there currently are. Right? We have pretty much WooCommerce has 99% of the market, like everybody else is just getting the crumbs. And this means there’s like very few options on the market. And everyone could probably also agree that there’s some issues there with WooCommerce as well, some challenges.
[00:06:47.930] – Adam Preiser
It’s not so easy to set up. It could be kind of pricey when you want to do something simple and you’re spending a couple of year per simple thing that you’re trying to do with WooCommerce and the performance issues of WooCommerce. So I felt like there could be a better way. And that’s how Shirkart started. And it is a better way.
[00:07:12.810] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, it’s a big beast. It’s a big target. What have been some of the challenges that were slightly unexpected in trying to become a player in that particular sector item.
[00:07:36.130] – Adam Preiser
Well, I’ll tell you, building an e commerce platform is not for the faint of heart because it’s complex, requires very smart people. So Surecard is not just me. I have multiple co founders that are very smart people because there’s a lot of intricacies with an ecommerce platform that you don’t realize. And some of the ecommerce platforms as well, they go the easy route, right? You start using it and then you realize this is pretty much just a stripe wrapper. Uses stripe for everything. I can’t do all these things I need to do for my ecommerce store. And so as we were building out shortcut, it’s so funny, when I first announced Surecart, I was transparent, and I’m like, yeah, I was been working on this thing for two years, and there was someone saying, oh my gosh, I can’t I could have built that thing in three months. I’m like, okay, great. There’s not a chance. Just like a tiniest component of Surecart took three months to build. But ultimately, we haven’t run into a lot of challenges. And I think that’s because we knew what we were getting into, we fully scoped it out.
[00:08:58.860] – Adam Preiser
We we knew exactly what we needed. We got the right people to help and build this thing out the right way. And because we have a lot of experience building products and we have a deep connection to the community. So I knew what people needed because I needed it myself. I made sure we had the right people with the right skill sets to build this thing. And it’s been amazing. It’s been a great process. But I will say it’s the most challenging thing that I’ve ever built because it’s very intricate. So, for example, taxation, I’ll tell you the toughest thing, the funniest, toughest thing is like European tax laws. Every different country has a different requirement. For example, if you live in Italy and soon France, sorry, if you’re a merchant in Italy or as soon France, every day, you have to have an XML export of all your orders with all the sequential order numbers, and you have to send that to the tax office daily. So it’s really been navigating, all these intricate requirements for all the different countries in the world because it’s a global platform. That’s been fun. That’s been a fun onion to pill.
[00:10:28.790] – Jonathan Denwood
[00:10:30.470] – Kurt von Ahnen
You’ll describe a scenario of train hard and fight easy though, right? So as long as you’re well prepared and you know it going in, then boom.
[00:10:38.890] – Adam Preiser
Yeah. Well, the funny thing about some of the EU regulations, they keep pumping up. There’s something new every year, a new challenge every year. But it’s okay because we built the platform in such a way where we’re EU compliant. Where you’d be surprised to note, most ecommerce platforms are not they’re not EU compliant in the slightest. But there’s so many different requirements regarding how that is displayed inclusive, exclusive, sequential order numbers. Like you name it, it is subscription reminders. Well, that’s a simple thing, subscription reminders, but you’d be surprised at how few platforms actually have that. Yeah. So that, I think would probably be the one thing that has been the toughest. It’s been tough. It’s just been a curveball. Curveball. So we’re just catching the curveballs, which is perfectly fine.
[00:11:38.110] – Jonathan Denwood
Over to you, Cook.
[00:11:42.030] – Kurt von Ahnen
Adam, out of the products you mentioned, the thing I have the most experience with is presto player, and I’m looking forward to trying sure members out with a combination of tools that Jonathan promotes at WP Tonic. And you’ve already touched on it, but like, what could you share with the audience as far as, like, the strategy of launching something successfully in the WordPress space?
[00:12:04.310] – Adam Preiser
Yeah, I’ve been very fortunate that every product I’ve launched, I’ve been all in on, and they’ve all done amazingly well. Of course, I’m in a little bit of a different situation in that I spent five years building a YouTube channel it’s actually been seven years now building a YouTube channel and a community of people that believe in me and trust me and trust in the decisions that I’ll make. So they know that if I come out with something, I’m in that for the long haul and it’s going to be the best in that category. So I have that. Like, I don’t actually call it an unfair advantage. It’s a very fair advantage because I spent years building it. And I truly care about the people, my users, the people that are on my channel. I truly care about all of them. But if you don’t have that, I think the most important thing when bringing a product to market is how the heck are you going to get users aware of this product? So if you don’t have the already existing following or subscriber base or people that are keeping their watch on you, you have to figure out who does and how.
[00:13:29.430] – Adam Preiser
Can you? What’s the word, like, butter them up, as a one way of putting it? Butter them up, befriend them. So, like, for example, I go to word camps. I go to word camps, actually. A lot of people come up to me at the Word Camps, right, because of the YouTube channel. But I’m going to the Word Camps for what I was just talking about. I’m going to the Word Camps to talk to people, get joint efforts together, exposure to products, things like that. That’s why I’m going to work Camps, you know what I mean? Make friends. Of course, I like the social aspect of it as well. I love making new friends, but I make the effort to go to work EU in Porto, like six months ago and go to the one in San Diego. That didn’t take much effort because it’s not far from me. But I’m making the effort to go to Bangkok in two months and I’m making the effort to go to Athens in June and July. I think it’s June because I want to get as much exposure for my products as possible. So if someone’s coming to the market with a product, you’re going to have to figure out who has the eyeballs and how can you befriend those people and get them to buy in on your vision of what you’ve made and have it really make sense to get access to the people that actually use the things.
[00:14:51.680] – Adam Preiser
So I think that is the biggest key, right? It’s the biggest key for everyone. Like, how are you going to get to the buyer or the user if it’s a free product?
[00:15:03.950] – Jonathan Denwood
You remember that I was trying to persuade you to go to Orange County one, remember that first one? And I’m not sure if it’s worth me going. And I said, oh, you should go, definitely go.
[00:15:19.850] – Adam Preiser
Didn’t I go? Like, I went to like two of the ones. Yeah, we met for the first time there. It was in 2019, probably, or 20. I know I was there in 2018 and I got a good memory. 2018 and 2019.
[00:15:33.590] – Jonathan Denwood
I was there all Virginia, but I remember you were thinking of going and you weren’t too sure, and I said, oh, you definitely should go out and it’s well worth the effort. I still remember that, actually. It was quite well run, actually.
[00:15:52.720] – Adam Preiser
Well, let me say something to that. My wife would disagree, but I tend to be like a little reserved when it’s groups of over two or three people with me. I can be nervous. I don’t know. Technically, I don’t know anybody IRL right, in real life at these things. When I went to the first ones, so it was like, oh, but you know, you go there, you just got to push through it and break out of it. A great strategy is to look at the attendee list, contact some people in advance that you want to have a meeting with. Hey, can we get together for 20 minutes? This, that and the other. There’s lots of ways of going to a place where you don’t know anyone and actually overcoming that I don’t know anyone thing.
[00:16:37.150] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, you’re a bit like me because I think you would say not totally, it’s a mixture of both, but people think I’m totally out of it, but I’m not. I’m quite introverted, actually. And I think you’re a bit like that yourself, totally. Because you run a very successful YouTube channel. They straight away think you’re going to be a very outgeever type, but you’re a bit like me. So I think we’re going to go for our break. Adam and we’ll be back. It’s always a joy having Adam and having a chat is so knowledgeable. We will be back in a few moments, folks.
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[00:18:28.050] – Jonathan Denwood
Coming back, folks, I just want to point out that if you got a client and you’re looking to build a membership website or learning management system, why don’t you look at WP Tonic to host the website on? You get all the benefits of a suite of plugins that would cost you a lot of money, plus fantastic hosting. And another factor, you get consistent advice and support from WP Tonic. If you have a technical issue and you’re looking for some advice, you can approach WP Tonic. So go over to WP Tonic and sign up for one of our hosting packages. So straight back into it. So let’s start over. This is going to be interesting. One, what did you think of Matt Malewig’s State of the Word 2022? I don’t think this year it was a COVID event, was it? I think they they managed to avoid that one. But what did you think of it in general, Adam?
[00:19:32.720] – Adam Preiser
Yeah, I thought, well, let me say this might just be my perception, I’m very much paying attention to these things, but it seems like WordPress is moving along a lot faster and smoother development wise core is than it had in prior years as well. And you also see it in WooCommerce. There’s like more aggressiveness towards building cool things that actually make sense. The full site editing things started, what, last year, and I thought to myself at the beginning of this year, no one’s going to use this thing. And now I find myself a year later wanting to use this thing. And so I just see it continuing going in that direction. One of the things that I was really keen on in the State of the Word is all the discussion regarding artificial intelligence, which is something I’ve been very much using since 2020 and actually have been building a tool using artificial intelligence. But it was really nice to hear it from the State of the Word. The discussion of artificial intelligence as it relates to what we’re doing, building websites, businesses, online and stuff like that, that was quite interesting to me, but personally I’m quite optimistic about the future of WordPress, where it’s going, the new things.
[00:21:05.330] – Adam Preiser
Let’s face it, at a certain point in life, you don’t like new things, right? When I was in my 20s, something new, I love everything new, let’s throw it out. My wife used to complain I would always change everything up at the house. Like there’d be a different phone, a different cell phone, a different TV, I would change everything up all the time. But when you get in your 30s, you’re like, I don’t like it so much. I’m starting to feel a little uncomfortable by this thing. I’m sure that just gets worse and worse as you get a little older. But I’m excited for the changes and the improvements that are happening to WordPress and WooCommerce. I think it feels like there’s new blood making decisions or there’s actually some direction where it hasn’t felt that way in the past.
[00:21:53.750] – Jonathan Denwood
Yeah. What was your reaction about the statement about changing how premier plugins are dealt with in the directory? I thought that was quite interesting because I thought that was never going to be touched, you were never going to see any movement in that particular area. But it seems to me that almost everything’s up and being looked at now. Did you get that impression?
[00:22:25.450] – Adam Preiser
Do you mean the new taxonomy where, like, if you’re looking at a theme, it says if it’s commercial or community supported in the same I guess it’s not implemented yet for plugins. I actually wanted to make a suggestion, though, that there should be a new taxonomy that the users place on these things of excessive banner ads. I had installed the plug in the other day and like five days later, all of a sudden I had five banner ads and this plugin was on hundreds of thousands of websites and I was like, how can you do something like this? So I’m all for more transparency with these things and it could go either way. I think it’s probably maybe in some regards it’s very good if you make a choice based upon there being real support available, there being a paid option that might provide better support. I think I once told this story, I was an early user of Pods.
[00:23:31.400] – Jonathan Denwood
Pods? Yeah, I know. You did a few videos on your YouTube. You were quite supportive of it really, weren’t you?
[00:23:39.270] – Adam Preiser
And this was like in 2016, 2017. And I realized I’ve got some problems now with bots. Who can I go to? Guess what? It’s nobody. Because then the plug in hasn’t matured or changed or improved or anything not their fault, it’s community supported. I probably would have gone advanced custom fields in hindsight, because I know I could have paid for a professional version, gotten professional support, and it would continue to improve and get better over time. But when you go with some of these non commercial plugins, that just doesn’t happen. And it’s no one’s fault, it costs money. Every support ticket costs money, every developer hour costs money. So I think it’s interesting in that regard. I think there’s a certain user that wants to use everything that’s free and they might cripple the potential of what they’re doing, but there’s also the person that wants to know that there’s always someone to go to and it’s not going to be abandoned. How many plugins have you used that are either overtly abandoned, like they’re saying it’s now abandoned, or you could tell it’s abandoned because it hasn’t had an update in three years and you thought this was the coolest thing when you installed it.
[00:25:03.570] – Adam Preiser
That’s happened to me far too many times. So in that regard, I might just prefer a commercial version of something, even if it’s free, because I know they’re going to keep the free one going because they’ve got the pro version.
[00:25:19.670] – Kurt von Ahnen
Well, I can’t help but be distracted about how you talked about the YouTube stuff, and it’s almost like a follow up question. That’s how I know you. I know you from the YouTube. And then when I deal with customer support, it’s people say, I saw a YouTube video with Adam and Adam says, Right. And then I got to word it so that I got to float around Adam’s words to get what I want to do in the support ticket.
[00:25:44.260] – Adam Preiser
[00:25:47.310] – Kurt von Ahnen
And I can’t ask you for your secrets, but how can you inspire or attribute that type of success? What was it? Just stick to it and sticking with it and watching the numbers grow, because a lot of people make great content and don’t have any followers on YouTube. It’s a really weird environment.
[00:26:05.910] – Adam Preiser
Yeah. You know what it is? Well, I don’t want to just discount myself and I don’t want to discount the factor of luck. Right. Because luck and timing not luck, but luck and timing, all three things have to be there, right? If you don’t have the right personality for it, that makes people feel connected to you. So, for me, I’m actually the same person I was before I uploaded my first video. I like people. I like talking. I care about people. Genuinely, in real life, I’m a really nice, generous guy. I give more to people than they’ll ever give to me. That’s just who I have always been and that’s who I still am today. I think that comes across in the videos. And I would tell you that I’m also intentionally, when I’m making a video, I want to be a likable person. There’s something to that.
[00:27:12.570] – Jonathan Denwood
Obviously. That’s where I’ve failed, isn’t it?
[00:27:16.810] – Adam Preiser
No, certainly not. But it’s being real, too, right? Like, you’re very real, Jonathan. You have very real.
[00:27:24.590] – Kurt von Ahnen
He’ll be back.
[00:27:25.710] – Jonathan Denwood
He’ll be back. He’s sucking me, but he froze on the Mr.
[00:27:28.260] – Kurt von Ahnen
[00:27:29.240] – Adam Preiser
All right. That’s part of it, right? Like you could joke with the people that watch your videos. I didn’t come up with this missed Doctor Evil thing. It was like everyone started calling me Dr. Evil.
[00:27:41.320] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, actually, when you came regularly on my roundtable show, we named you Missed Dr. Evil.
[00:27:51.110] – Adam Preiser
I embrace it. I embrace my flaws. That’s not a flaw, that’s just like a genetic thing. Right? I’m sure Kurt can relate.
[00:28:00.570] – Jonathan Denwood
You still got the white cat that I sent you.
[00:28:03.480] – Adam Preiser
I do, absolutely. That’s true. That’s right. That’s so true. It was Jonathan who mailed me a gift and it was the Dr. Evil’s white cat. Oh, that’s so great. Bringing up the old times, the memories. I think that’s fantastic.
[00:28:23.330] – Jonathan Denwood
You still strike it, but there we go.
[00:28:28.690] – Adam Preiser
Let me finish up on the question. I’ll try to do it concisely. I think, number one, I think one of the things I see, a lot of the mistakes they make, that maybe someone who wanted to make a YouTube video, they’re not personable enough and they’re not building genuine relationships with the community. That is what becomes the mustard seed of your channel that ends up growing. When you do right by them, you communicate with them because you just genuinely care about them. I really think that is it. And a lot of people are just not interested in doing that. And there’s bad stuff that come with that too, right? You put yourself out there. You do get some people attacking you and hating you. That’s part of it.
[00:29:13.650] – Jonathan Denwood
Well, there’s some genuine criticism, but also true. There are some people you’re on their radar because they’re just jealous. It’s fundamentally they’re just jealous. They don’t allow there’s two things. Either you get a bit bitter about other people’s success, or you utilize their success to generate you to do things. There’s two ways to go, isn’t it? Either you get bitter about it or you look at them and say, well, they did that. That motivates me to up my game. There’s two ways of doing it, isn’t it?
[00:29:57.470] – Adam Preiser
Well, this actually ties into one of the questions you might ask me in about five minutes about books or websites or online resources. I was thinking, what has inspired me as an entrepreneur? And it’s other entrepreneurs, and where can you get access to other entrepreneurs? YouTube. Where can you follow other entrepreneurs online journeys? YouTube. Or whether they have a blog or something like that. And that’s actually how I got my start on YouTube. I was watching YouTube videos and I tell this story. He’s one of the most well known YouTubers today tech YouTubers. His name is Marquez Brownlee in his YouTube channels, MKBHD. And he started making YouTube videos when he was like 15, and they’re still up and he was just a little kid and I thought and now with the guy’s huge, right? He sits down with, like, presidents. He sits down with influential athletes, CEOs, like, he’s been at Elon Musk’s, Tesla with Bill Gates, like all these people, kobe Bryant when he was life. Anyways, I looked at this guy and I’m like, man, I saw this guy as a kid and look at him now. If he can do it, I can do it.
[00:31:24.730] – Adam Preiser
And that’s how I got my start. That’s one of the things that’s always surprised me. Like, I look at people that have come up and I’m like, how can I for them and how can I do it? Too right, yeah. It usually boils back down to hard work, likableness and a little bit of luck. Luck in timing. Luck and timing.
[00:31:47.740] – Jonathan Denwood
Yes, you do need a bit of luck, but in some ways you make your luck, but you always got to be aware that you do need a bit of that special luck. Don’t ever kid yourself that it’s all about we can do. But you’re going to be rudely awakened quite quickly, aren’t you? In my opinion, especially, it’s a difference.
[00:32:12.460] – Adam Preiser
When you enter a market at the right time or you enter the market at the wrong time, not the stock market, but, like, say you’re having a product and you’re entering that market, like the right time to have a product up and running was pre pandemic. If you had your product up pre pandemic, it shut up like a rocket ship. But then if you saw products going on that rocket ship and then it’s the end of it, like, maybe earlier this year and you’re like, I’m going to come out with the same product. It worked for that other company and it’s now crickets. The opportunity came and went.
[00:32:46.050] – Jonathan Denwood
Anyway, on to the last question before we wrap up the podcast part of the show. Hopefully, Adam, you’ll be okay to stay on for some a couple of other questions for our bonus content. But I always like this question. If you had your own TARDIS. Doctor who? I don’t know if you ever watch any BBC TV. You had your own time machine and you could go back like 710 years ago and you could mentor yourself for afternoon. What would be the key message you would like to get over to the aversion of yourself that you think you know now? That you would like to tell your younger self?
[00:33:28.850] – Adam Preiser
Wow, that is quite a question. And I’m afraid it’s going to require a deep answer. So not like a surface level answer, like a heartfelt answer. And it’s probably a good way of wrapping up the year with a heartfeltness. Right. It’s that time of year. I have always been business minded, business schools, business degrees, very business minded at a very young age. And I think that most people, including myself, don’t think big enough. And they don’t, because they might not believe that they can do the big thing. And I think if I was to go back 20 years ago, 17 years ago, let’s be more generous to myself, 17 years ago, maybe 20, I would say, Adam, do not be afraid to think big. You. Can accomplish that thing. You just have to figure it out. But you have to think big. Even even today, I would say to myself, I think too small. Even though, like like surecard is shopify level, right, of complexity, capability and all of that. I’m thinking big, but I’m trying to think even bigger. You know what I mean? I even know that I could think bigger than that.
[00:34:47.450] – Adam Preiser
I think that’s what I would tell myself to remind myself that you can accomplish these things, but you just think too small, you know? I think I want to make a million dollars, when you could say, I want to make a billion dollars. Seriously.
[00:35:03.710] – Kurt von Ahnen
Anyways, millionaires are quite common nowadays.
[00:35:07.090] – Adam Preiser
Yes. And that like and once you have a billion, a million, you’re like, I should have been shooting for a billion. Like a million is actually easy to get. It’s actually very easy to get. But a billion is more of a challenge. So anyways, I don’t really care about money. I’ve got plenty of it. I don’t really care about it that much, but it’s not a driver for me, in other words, is what I’m trying to say. But I would just say think big. And I would encourage anyone to think big. I tell my son that you got to have big dreams.
[00:35:39.050] – Jonathan Denwood
It’s been a pleasure talking to you, Adam. Madam is going to stay on for some bonus content. You can watch the whole interview plus the bonus content on our YouTube channel. So Adam, how can people find out more about you and what you’re up to?
[00:35:56.610] – Adam Preiser
Adam well, the most exciting things that I’m doing right now is Surecart@surecart.com. It’s actually a full brand of Shore related products. We have sure members. It’s like a membership style plugin for your website. We have Shorerider coming out, which is an AI writing platform that’s coming out. We have short triggers that you can sign up now to use. It’s a full automation platform, rivaling Zapier, but it’s also deeply integrated into WordPress. But of course, homebase is YouTube. Comwpcrafter. Leave a comment. I’d love to hear from you and I’ll be happy to help in any way I can on your journey.
[00:36:35.150] – Jonathan Denwood
And my new co host, Kirk kirk has agreed to be my co host in 2022, which is great news. So Kirk, how can people find out more about you and what you have to cook?
[00:36:50.610] – Kurt von Ahnen
I latched on to the name Myana Nomas back in 2008 in New Mexico, and if you look Myana Nomas up on Google, it’s impossible to not see me there. So that’s the easiest, best way to find me is just look up Myana Nomas. I am also somewhat of a LinkedIn addict. I’m on LinkedIn every day. So if you go to LinkedIn vonon Friend me, connect with me, it says to follow, but I always welcome connections and I generally send an invite to get on a conversation real quick because I like to be relational on there, so that’s the best way to reach me.
[00:37:24.690] – Jonathan Denwood
That’s great. I just want to wish you, the listeners and viewers, a really happy Christmas and New Year 2022 has been a great year for me. It’s had some great ups and also some very painful downs. To say it’s been a ride would be hard to say, but it’s been one of the most challenging but also one of the most interesting years I had. I’m looking forward to 203. I hope you have a great one as well. We will be back the new year. We’ll see you soon. Thanks. Bye.
[00:37:58.390] – Ending
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