What It Really Costs to Own a Membership Website

Membership website costs revealed: platform fees, content creation, marketing & more. Get the real numbers before you launch.

Have you ever considered launching a membership website? In this show, we reveal the true costs of owning and maintaining one. From platform fees to content creation and marketing, we break down each expense to give you a clear financial picture. Understanding these costs can save you time and money. Don’t miss out.

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The Show’s Main Transcript

[00:00:16.760] – Jonathan Denwood

Welcome back, folks, to the Membership Machine Show. This is episode 186. In this show, we’re going to be talking about what it really costs to own a website. What are the costs involved In, in you really owning your own business online. We’re going to give you some fantastic advice here. I’ve got my great co-host with me, Kurt. Kurt, would you like to introduce yourself to the new listeners and viewers?

[00:00:46.490] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah, Jonathan, my name is Kurt von Ahnen I own an agency based out of Kansas, and we do a lot of great work with the WP-Tonic team.

[00:00:53.690] – Jonathan Denwood

That’s fantastic. And I’m the founder of WP-Tonic. We’re a boutique hosting agency. We host, we build, we do SEO, we do tons of different services. But the key thing, it’s all around e-learning membership and community. Right, let’s go straight into it. But should we go for our first break? I think we should go for our first break though, folks, where we got some great offers From our sponsors of the show. We will be back in a few moments, folks.

[00:01:33.460] – Speaker 4

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[00:02:53.500] – Jonathan Denwood

We’re coming back, folks. So, Kurt, how would you introduce the show? What’s, what’s the bigger picture? Then we go into the nitty-gritty.

[00:03:05.390] – Kurt von Ahnen

We got any thoughts, Kurt, introducing the show? Um, let’s just be fair to the listeners. It’s, it’s awkward for the both of us, Jonathan. It’s that this is a space that you and I derive some of our income from. So, so it’s, it’s a little weird to say, what are the, what are the pitfalls What are the traps of having an online business? But I also think it is an incredibly fair topic to bring up to people because to your point, you know, a URL doesn’t sound like much, but you know, $18, $20 every year out the window, software costs, hosting, maintenance. And so yeah, let’s have that chat so that people can, people can join the community, the circle of online business. But understand what they’re getting into as they do it.

[00:03:51.080] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, I think it’s really important, especially when it comes to a membership community website. If you do get any real membership, the, the, the— it’s one of the most demanding things you can set up. It’s actually more demanding than e-commerce to some extent, based on my experience of what resources it requires. But it doesn’t require many resources if you’ve got 5, 10 students. But as soon as you get 50 to 100, 200 students, then you’re in a different ballgame quickly.

[00:04:29.380] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, and let’s, let’s not leave out the, you know, let’s just put the cards on the table, Jonathan. You and I have both had, we’ve had client conversations where halfway through the project someone goes, Well, I thought that was included. Like, well, these are the 16 email addresses I need to put on the account. You go, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, email inboxing isn’t part of the scope of work and it’s not part of this package. And people lose their minds because they’ve made an assumption that it’s covered or that there’s something that’s included that’s not. And so it’s important that, you know, you know the scope of work and you know what you got into.

[00:05:04.790] – Jonathan Denwood

And this applies to WordPress All SaaS folks. There’s costs involved, and a lot of the costs are hidden, and we’re here to educate folks. So let’s go into number 1, the hidden recurring costs: hosting, domain fees, SSL certificates, premium plugins and themes. Well, um, the SSL, unless you’ve got a unusual setup or it’s involving foreign gateway providers that are not Stripe and the normal— most hosting providers now will provide an SSL certificate. And 90% of use cases, that’s fine. But there is still the odd occurrence, normally around They’re in the industry that, to put this diplomatically, that like Stripe and certain gateway providers like Authorize.net will not service. And it’s normally around gambling and other industries. Gaming is one of them as well. Online gaming. Gambling, gaming, those type. But most hosting providers will provide the SSL certificates part of the package. At WP-Tonic, we provide a lot of plugins, and legitimately we provide them. They’re fully licensed. We provide the support. But if we get stuck, we can legitimately contact the plugin providers on your behalf and get their help because we have the licensing. But there is cost, you know, the domain, you know, I personally wouldn’t buy a domain from GoDaddy.

[00:07:19.030] – Jonathan Denwood

I think there’s space.com. There’s, there’s half a dozen providers. Also Cloudflare. You can buy your domains from Cloudflare as well. They hide it. They don’t do a very effective way of marketing, but you can buy them and they’re not the cheapest, but they’re a couple dollars a year more expensive. But I think they’re much more legitimate. Yeah, but there are costs. What’s your thoughts here?

[00:07:53.820] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, that comes into the buyer beware category, right? So let’s say that you jump into Cloudflare, you buy your domain, and then you host with some kind of host that says, well, no, you have to use our name servers and not Cloudflare’s name servers. And then you look at migrating that and Cloudflare will say, well, no, you’ve got to hold this URL for 6 months before you can move it or things like that. Like, you’ve just gotta be aware of what you’re signing up for and what the ups and downs are. Um, and, and, you know, I’ll chime in with you on the GoDaddy thing too. I’m not a big GoDaddy fan. Like, I’d hate to say that I’m a fan, but I will say more recently, I’d say probably 80% of our clients have reserved their URL through GoDaddy.

[00:08:39.220] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah.

[00:08:39.940] – Kurt von Ahnen

Updating the name servers has become easier with time as opposed to more difficult. GoDaddy 4 years ago was a nightmare. I used to charge people a GoDaddy surcharge. Like, if they said we’re on GoDaddy, I was like, I’m charging you more. But it’s gotten tremendously better in the last couple of years. And like I said, about 80% of the people I deal with usually have a name server change that’s attached to a GoDaddy account.

[00:09:05.940] – Jonathan Denwood

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you, but I— it’s more that I’ve got a long memory. I’m— I don’t think I’m particularly, um, vindictive. Um, I try not to be, but, um, I’ve got a long memory, a memory like an elephant. And, um, the owner and the original owner and family, they, uh— He used to go around bagging elephants in Africa for a jolly. Uh, um, I like elephants, so, uh, um, so there we go. I, I’ve got a long memory. Uh, um, yeah, um, maintenance trap. Well, the ongoing cost of update. And oh, I’ve got a tip here. If you, um, for whatever reason you’re going with like, uh, Wix or Squarespace, do never, never buy your domains from Squarespace or Wix. Um, it’s gonna be— they do both provide, and this applies to something like Kajabi or Or LearnWorlds or Circle, never, never buy your domain from them directly. I don’t know if they’ve improved this, but it used to be a nightmare with Squarespace to get a domain moved from them. It’s literally, you literally wanted to take a gun and just blow your brains out. Dealing with them. And yes, it’s going to be a little bit more technical, a little bit more tricky.

[00:10:59.950] – Jonathan Denwood

But listen to Uncle Jonathan and don’t buy a domain from one of these providers direct. What do you reckon, Kurt?

[00:11:10.320] – Kurt von Ahnen

I agree. I think keeping things separate is, is a nice way to be, you know, hosting. Some people even say like email should be separate, right? So like hosting, email, domain, like keeping things separate. The, the interesting thing there is, you know, we titled this The Maintenance Trap, right? The thing is, is that you either need to get good at it yourself or you need to have someone keep your stuff current. And it sounds like a trap, but I think it’s more of a trap to not fall into it and have things go south.

[00:11:44.090] – Jonathan Denwood

Well, I’m amazed that basically if you’ve got a moneymaking website, And you’re using WordPress, and WordPress does need a little bit more support. There may be some of the SaaS, but the benefits you get in my mind out just— I’m looking, I’m struggling for the right words here, Kurt. They— the benefits of using WordPress just The benefit side of the line just overwhelm any, any bit more maintenance. But I think people make a rod anyway. Yeah, if you’ve got a money-making website, you want a staging site. And if you don’t want to do this yourself, we can provide it. We provide just with the hosting a lot of support. But there is a line where we expect you to either get somebody. We don’t force you to use our Support Plus, but we do expect that you have somebody if you’re not prepared to do it yourself. But this isn’t jet science either. You need a staging site. You need to periodically push the live website like once a month to your staging. And then any updates, any plugin updates you do on the staging, and then you look over, you do it once a week, you update everything, you look over the website And then just give it a look over, you know, the key pages.

[00:13:24.050] – Jonathan Denwood

And then you update your production. And if you installed any plugins, you do it on the staging. You don’t do it on your production. And then you’re probably going to be okay. It’s, um, I haven’t had, touch wood, I probably shouldn’t say this. But I don’t— I’m not installing loads of plugins on my production website. I haven’t installed a plug— well, I did, I did get one plugin installed about 2 weeks ago, but before that I hadn’t installed a new plugin properly for a year. Uh, um, and that’s when you’ve got— when you’ve got stable setup That’s what normally happens. So in some ways, I think people make a rod for their back, really. What do you reckon?

[00:14:17.510] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, I, I’m hearing you and I’m hearing your, your, your talk, right? Like, I haven’t installed anything in a year. Um, the Mañana No Más website, my website, it, it had— I had added things, taken out things. I pride myself on trying new things. As you know, Jonathan, I like to stay up to date on some things. And I tried this and I tried that and I backed it out. And then I realized over time that the Mañana No Más website was not performing at the level I needed it to, especially if I’m selling enterprise-level, you know, stuff. Um, so we had to redo things. And this, this comes into like that whole maintenance conversation, right? If you experiment with stuff and you add stuff and you take stuff out, you’re creating this technical debt in the back of your site. And things can get out of control. Like I was hosting courses, I had community, I had all this stuff on this website that wasn’t being used as an agency selling website. And so I just decided recently, a couple weeks ago, let’s just start fresh. Let’s just make a new website. And we went from a, you know, a 62 PageSpeed report to a 98 PageSpeed report.

[00:15:24.330] – Kurt von Ahnen

But that falls into, like, that’s a serious conversation to have if you’re in a relationship and you’re talking about maintenance. With your provider, you, you want to be like, hey, what’s our technical debt? What, what level of hosting do we need to have the performance we’re looking for? If you don’t want to pay that for hosting, well, then you got to take a look at, well, what else is causing the performance gap? Sometimes you need to rebuild things, and that’s when having someone available that’s familiar with your product, that understands what you’re doing, can really help you from that maintenance perspective. So sometimes it’s time to maintain things, and sometimes it’s time to redo things, and, and It really takes an educated brain to kind of go, this is that moment. You know, we’ve crossed that line.

[00:16:10.360] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah.

[00:16:10.780] – Speaker 1

Yep.

[00:16:11.670] – Jonathan Denwood

Next one, DIY versus hiring help. Well, if it’s not making money, you’re in this early stages of building your community or membership website, and you haven’t got a full-time— you’re not in full-time employment and it’s not You know, I know some people, it’s not breaking even, but they still don’t want to do it themselves, but they’ve got resources. But if you haven’t got resources, you’re gonna have to do it yourself. But as soon as you’re starting making money, I would suggest it’s best to get, um, to hire help to help you with it because you should be concentrating on your course, on your community. And on your marketing, not dealing with maintenance and your word and your website. And I, you know, I know there’s going to be somebody listening to this and say, well, you just make a website in AI. Um, there’s a bit more to it than that, and I’m not anti-AI at all. I use a lot of it, and I, I think It is going to get more integrated with WordPress, and I think it’s going to be a good thing. Um, but if I was making a— make, you know, people’s attitude to things normally change a lot when they start making money from their website.

[00:17:45.360] – Jonathan Denwood

Their whole attitude about things changes quite dramatically dealing with somebody that’s making good money from their online business and those that aren’t. What do you reckon?

[00:18:00.430] – Kurt von Ahnen

Yeah, revenue fixes a lot of things.

[00:18:02.880] – Speaker 4

It just does.

[00:18:06.290] – Kurt von Ahnen

And I want people to see this from, from an expanded perspective, right? So there is the proof of concept, getting launched, getting things going. You know, maybe you’re looking at a $6,000 or $7,000, you know, e-learning website to build out of the chute. Maybe what you really need is a $20,000 build, right? But, but you’re doing it by yourself. You’re doing some DIY stuff. I will tell you, as business grows, as it scales, it does become a job of its own. And here I am at the agency level, and I’ll find myself doing work on like a Wednesday afternoon, and I’ll go, why am I doing this? Like, I— this is repetitive work. I should, I should have someone else be doing this. I shouldn’t be doing this. You need to free yourself up for what generates the best revenue for you. And, or whatever you enjoy the most, right? Like sometimes I do the work and I go, well, I’m doing it ’cause I enjoy it. I, you know, I sell this work ’cause it’s what I like to do. But again, it’s usually like on a Wednesday afternoon, for some reason on a Wednesday afternoon, I’m doing something to catch up some project.

[00:19:08.290] – Kurt von Ahnen

And I think to myself, I should just be paying a team member to do this and I should be on a sales call closing the next deal. I shouldn’t be like circling the wagons to, you know, wrap up some code. So, Nobody, I think, is beyond the idea of this concept of DIY versus hiring the help. A famous author in the leadership space says that if somebody can do something 80% as good as you can, you need to have them do it. And that for me was a very hard thing to learn and adapt to. But if somebody can do something 80% as good as I’m going to do it, I should just be paying them to do it and I should move on. what’s going to be the most productive and efficient and profitable for my company.

[00:19:51.600] – Jonathan Denwood

Yep. I think it’s a good place for us to have our break. When we come back, we’ve got some more insights about the costs involved in running a successful online business. We will be back in a few moments, folks.

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[00:21:19.210] – Jonathan Denwood

Coming back, folks, I want to point out I do a weekly newsletter. I write it myself. I find articles that I find interesting about the subject that I’m writing about, and I put it all into a free newsletter. And I normally send it out on Tuesday or Wednesday. And you can sign up. I’m sure you’re going to find value. Just go to wp-tonic.com/newsletter. wp-tonic.com/newsletter. Now this is a biggie. Platform lock— locking costs. This is the thing that is hidden. Um, I, I wouldn’t want to build a business. I, um, oh, I forgot their name, Sugar. You know the arts and crafts platform?

[00:22:17.760] – Kurt von Ahnen

Etsy.

[00:22:18.520] – Jonathan Denwood

Etsy. I don’t know, somehow it got onto my YouTube feed, um, and I watched one of these and then 3 or 4 appeared in my YouTube feed, and it was Etsy owners that built up a business over many years. One had a jewelry— custom jewelry, um, was doing $700,000. Um, another one had another business and they were doing like a million and a half, and Somebody complained about copyright or something very minor in both circumstances. Oh, the other lady that had the jewelry business, she, um, she got very ill and she ended up in hospital and she missed some of the deliveries that were promised. She did email the customers and tell them And because she had missed their, their websites got taken down.

[00:23:30.720] – Speaker 1

Yeah.

[00:23:30.810] – Jonathan Denwood

And there’s no— and you can do a kind of automatic appeal. You can’t speak to anybody. They treat, they treat their merchants like scum. This, I know this is my opinion. I’ve never heard anything like it. Do you really want to put all the effort into building a business on somebody else’s platform and they get a copyright complaint, a totally illegitimate one, and they decide that you’re no longer wanted on their platform? Do you really want to do that? And I, I wouldn’t build— I would want as much control over my business as possible. I would use other platforms to try out things. I would use others to promote my business, but the core of my business, I would want it as maximum control as I could have. What do you reckon, Kurt?

[00:24:35.300] – Kurt von Ahnen

Some people would argue that it’s a good safeguard, right? Like, so if Disney, for example, wanted to sue Etsy because of a sweatshirt on one of the stores and the store got closed, some people would say it’s better to have your store get closed than for your business to keep going and really be an infraction in that space and then get sued for $16 million by Disney, right? So it goes both ways. Some people say, well, that’s a safeguard. I wanna be super, super clear, it’s not a safeguard. I remember during the pandemic, I’m still angry about the pandemic. I had lots of friends that were doing 5-day and 7-day challenges when that was the big thing, the Facebook challenge era. And I had a friend who lived in Australia, had a 7-day challenge, charged people for it. So people paid money for it. And of course, he was living off that money. And then he made a post about the vaccine on his personal page, and they locked him out of everything in Facebook. And he couldn’t even attend or moderate or do anything in that 7-day challenge. And so then, you know, obviously everybody wants their money back.

[00:25:51.300] – Kurt von Ahnen

But beyond that, it’s just the embarrassment, the brand damage, the, you know, you put a lot of effort into building something and he was, he was building something rather large and impressive at the time. But he was choosing instead of doing it on his own website, he was choosing to leverage these tools. Instagram, Facebook, you know, and all these things. And, and he said, well, because it’s easy and it’s free. Well, easy and free has its place until they take it away from you. And that’s— I’ve always been super paranoid in that space, but the, but the pandemic really brought it to the top for me. And ever since then, I’m very adamant about how you should own your own space. And that’s actually the catchphrase on our new site.

[00:26:33.750] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah. And, and There’s a number of platforms. There’s a popular email platform and there’s various ones, and they’ve got a track record of, of locking people out and it being a nightmare to get either your money or to get access to your accounts. Be very wary about people sending you real convenience because there’s always a price. On we go. The real price of free. There is a price. There’s always a price when it comes to free. What do you reckon, Kurt?

[00:27:16.270] – Kurt von Ahnen

Well, besides what we just talked about in the background, so let’s say— and I don’t want to talk smack because these plugin creators have to do something, right? So If you get a free plugin in your website, it’s probably not going to have a payment gateway. And then if it does have a payment gateway, you probably had to pay for the pro version to add the payment gateway, right? But some of them will say, no, we have a free payment gateway. You can hook up your Stripe account for free. You have to read the fine print because in the background of that is going to be a transaction fee that’s going to be pulled, that’s going to go to the plugin developer for 3%, 5%, 10% of whatever that is. Patreon, you sign up for a Patreon site and you go, I got this free membership club website, it’s gonna be awesome. They’re gonna take 20% of all your revenue, right? You could talk about OnlyFans, but like there’s people that have gone very public about their OnlyFans experience, about how they grew in popularity and volume and then realized that they had paid OnlyFans a percentage of those earnings, which in some of those cases were millions of dollars.

[00:28:25.190] – Kurt von Ahnen

to host that space. So free sounds attractive until you realize, wait a minute, if I would’ve just paid the $5,000 and built this on my own in WordPress and owned it, I would have owned it. You wouldn’t have, you wouldn’t look back 5 years later and go, oh, I paid $20,000 in credit card fees, right? I mean, there’s the fee with obviously Stripe, right? 2.9%. But when you’re paying another percentage to another person, that adds up over time and it adds up behind your back. And then one day you look back and you go, oh my goodness, I can’t believe I paid that.

[00:29:06.920] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, on we go. Downtime, security breach costs, the financial impact of lost traffic. Well, it’s really linked to everything we said, you know, keeping your plugins up to date, good hosting, best practices. But don’t, don’t think other people are a bit naive when you’re dealing with non-open source platforms. Actually, open source platforms tend to be the most secure possible because they’ve got the most eyes on them. Other platforms, their incentive is not to talk about when they’re being breached. The whole business incentive is not to talk about security problems and breaches, and the whole incentive model is not to talk about them. So people are a little bit naive when they come around to this. Because they don’t understand the realities. What do you reckon, Kurt?

[00:30:16.830] – Kurt von Ahnen

There’s, there’s so much of that you’re on the money with. It’s, um, if we think about it in, uh, full terms— I just turned off our notes, that’s not a good thing. But, um, if you think about, uh, I went totally blank. Yeah, I lost my notes and they’re gone. I had it right in front of me.

[00:30:37.440] – Jonathan Denwood

The security. Yes.

[00:30:39.540] – Kurt von Ahnen

I know, but it’s like it was right there. I had a really good thought. I hate when that happens. The security thing to me is one of these hidden issues. No matter what site we can think of, a bank, right? A bank, a credit card company, the IRS. There’s been some breach. Somebody’s gotten in, right? You get some kind of an email says you might be part of a class action lawsuit. Your info, your personal information may have been, you know, found 3 years ago in this data breach. When that’s happening at that scale, at those— so to think that you’re safe is just crazy thought. Like that to me, like when customers ask me about, well, what do I do about website security? Well, we take care of your hosting and your maintenance, right? So we take care of your updates. We try to make sure things are secure. We try these things. But Jonathan, on the roundtable show for WP-Tonic, You know, you’ve pointed out multiple times how, especially recently, they used AI to find all these like weird backdoors and plugins and stuff like that. Yeah, that stuff is out there. So you just kind of have to, you take your best practices, you stay on top of things.

[00:31:49.410] – Kurt von Ahnen

If you have the revenue, you hire somebody to manage it for you and oversee it from the outside. But don’t just assume that any platform is secure or safer than the other. And I always direct people to just look at all the big stories, right? Look at like, you know, insurance company whose all their user information ended up on the dark web. It’s, it’s— if, if those companies can fall victim to that kind of activity, there’s not a whole lot you’re going to be able to do to prevent it on your end other than best practices. Stay above board, keep everything moving. And I like Jonathan’s idea that he mentioned earlier. I’m just going to re-mention this. I stress with all of my clients, they should have in a live You know, actively used website, they should also have a staging site for that that’s fairly fresh.

[00:32:37.450] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, I think that’s the main things. Any ending thoughts that you want to emphasize before we wrap it up?

[00:32:47.150] – Kurt von Ahnen

My main thought is this. I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this lately, Jonathan. There’s certain numbers that stick in my head that seem legitimate. Like I think about when a customer says, how much to host with you? Boom, it just spits out, right? Like, that sounds reasonable. And then somebody had said to me recently, a customer was like, well, for what I’m paying, I expected more. And I was like, where did that come from? And I started doing some research. It’s all over the map, Jonathan. And you and I know this from the hosting perspective, but from the agency perspective, it’s all over the map. Someone will say they want $500 for paid discovery, and someone else is going to say, yeah, we do that for $5,000. We do that for $8,000. And it’s very difficult, I think, in this economic climate for the consumer, the person wants to own the website, to know what’s a justified fee or what is, you know, what’s an amicable amount to spend where you don’t feel like you’re getting ripped off to get a certain service. So I think it’s really, really important that you do a little research on the people you’re doing business with.

[00:33:51.830] – Kurt von Ahnen

What’s their portfolio look like? What services are you really looking for? How much, how risk-averse are you? How much are you willing to do yourself and how much do you want to, you know, hand off to somebody and then hopefully come up with something that makes sense or do business with people you really think you know and trust?

[00:34:10.770] – Jonathan Denwood

Yeah, it is difficult, but like I say, but when the website’s making money, A lot of these is a totally different discussion. Hopefully we’re giving you some good insights. It’s not as—I don’t think it’s as difficult or scary as maybe we made out here. I think going with a good provider, a decent hosting provider, having having a staging site and just. Not changing everything just for the sake of changing things. If you want to do that, set up another website on a cheap hosting provider or on your desktop and just hack away at it. But, um, it’s just, it’s just doing basic things. Just using a password manager will— the main way people— and this doesn’t apply just to WordPress, it applies to any kind of website. Weak passwords are the bane. You need a password manager. There’s, there’s many free or very inexpensive password managers. I use on all my key accounts, they all have 12-letter special character passwords and I’ll store them in a password manager. You got to keep these things secure. It’s been a good show. We will see you next week with some, hopefully some additional great advice about how you can manage and get success for your membership and community website.

[00:36:07.330] – Jonathan Denwood

We’ll see you soon, folks. Bye.

[00:36:09.960] – Speaker 1

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